A Question for my fellow COD lovers

[kristorf]

Originally Posted by winny

It isn't wrong it's just a bit shortsighted.
I think you'll find that the majority want the game fixed, the past is past. Whatever they do to CoD won't fix the last year, so the past is pretty irrelevant.
The future is dependant on getting the game engine sorted, which is what they are doing

If COD gets fixed as a by-product of BoM then that's still the same end result. ie. working game.

1c cannot release BoM unless CoD is working, because that would mean BoM won't work either.

I simply will not buy BoM until it's shown to be working, I think many here share the same thought.

I could understand the 'outrage' if the Devs had come on here and said, we can't fix CoD so we're starting from scratch with BoM, new engine..etc

They didn't though, they said that BoM was the same engine as CoD and that by working on BoM they were also working on CoD.

So by being outraged by the sequel you're basically getting outraged at the fact that the Devs are wotrking to get you a working game.. Strange..? Or petty?

Is it not though the proverbial ever decreasing circle, we won't buy the sequal/add-on/expansion as there are no gaurantees that it will work or fix CLoD, but if we don't buy it there possibly will never be a finished CLoD?

Also, are they working to fix CLoD or are they titbits throw to us until BoM is ready (if ever)??

Yeah real hilarious took everybodys money and left them with a broken game with no clue as to when it will be fixed. Then throw out little beta patches that fix some things and break others. I mean its not like it just needs abit of polish here were talking major flaws like the flying though trees and buildings and the lack of flyables still allot of work.

[BH_woodstock]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Wow if only life were that simple, I could get somebody else who is enthusiastic and stupid to do my job for me and I stll pocket the cash.....sweet.

was just a suggestion no need to get your panties in a bunch.

enthusiasm what a word eh? where would this world be without it.Where exactly would we all be if there wasnt some poor guy with a brilliant mind who is enthusiastic and stupid enough to do it for free?Tell that to the guys who make the version of HSFX you are flying right now.And added all those nice new aircraft for your enjoyment,added all those new features so your 10 year old version of Il2 is still as fun as it was today as it was back then.

yep..if only life was so simple.my point is dont be so fast to jump down somebodies back for asking a question.And not everyone is in it for the money.there are a few who do things for just the pure enjoyment of it.

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by Bob_Marley

Yeah real hilarious took everybodys money and left them with a broken game with no clue as to when it will be fixed. Then throw out little beta patches that fix some things and break others. I mean its not like it just needs abit of polish here were talking major flaws like the flying though trees and buildings and the lack of flyables still allot of work.

Hahaha. You made my day. Seriously, it IS hilarious. Do you marry a girl on first sight? Why didn't you wait for reviews? They took no ones money. You GAVE it to them for the product.
I can understand the problem with the system requirements but aside from that you make no sense.

If you are an early adopter live with the damn consequences. Also try to go out and experience life. This game is still supported and does get patches - unlike a freaking ton of other broken useless games I own.

I also don't like the flying through trees thing. But whatever. No one promised we'd collide with them. Why don't you buy a DCS game and a microscope so you can even SPOT a damn tree. This game looks stunning and works okay overall. There's no better sim out there and if you want one just go and make one. I'll even buy it

Originally Posted by BH_woodstock

was just a suggestion no need to get your panties in a bunch.

enthusiasm what a word eh? where would this world be without it.Where exactly would we all be if there wasnt some poor guy with a brilliant mind who is enthusiastic and stupid enough to do it for free?Tell that to the guys who make the version of HSFX you are flying right now.And added all those nice new aircraft for your enjoyment,added all those new features so your 10 year old version of Il2 is still as fun as it was today as it was back then.

yep..if only life was so simple.my point is dont be so fast to jump down somebodies back for asking a question.And not everyone is in it for the money.there are a few who do things for just the pure enjoyment of it.

No one does anything for free. Even the HSFX people don't. They do it because THEY want a better game and not because WE want a better game. That's how economy started. People specialized because THEY wanted something but also didn't want to starve just because they were good smiths but sucked at farming. Please don't be so naive as to believe that people do stuff for free...

Dude you sound like you need to calm your passion abit. As a paying customer i have the right to vent my opinion so why do you feel the need to attack me like an over protective fanboy?

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Hahaha. You made my day. Seriously, it IS hilarious. Do you marry a girl on first sight? Why didn't you wait for reviews? They took no ones money. You GAVE it to them for the product.
I can understand the problem with the system requirements but aside from that you make no sense.

If you are an early adopter live with the damn consequences. Also try to go out and experience life. This game is still supported and does get patches - unlike a freaking ton of other broken useless games I own.

I also don't like the flying through trees thing. But whatever. No one promised we'd collide with them. Why don't you buy a DCS game and a microscope so you can even SPOT a damn tree. This game looks stunning and works okay overall. There's no better sim out there and if you want one just go and make one. I'll even buy it




No one does anything for free. Even the HSFX people don't. They do it because THEY want a better game and not because WE want a better game. That's how economy started. People specialized because THEY wanted something but also didn't want to starve just because they were good smiths but sucked at farming. Please don't be so naive as to believe that people do stuff for free...

Wow, Madfish, sounds like you got bit by life pretty bad.

I've not downloaded the HSFX mod, but I wasn't aware that there was a fee charged. Plus, you're very welcome to fly on the ATAG server at no charge -- ie. FREE. (Sure, someone will point out that we accept donations to help defray server costs, but that is strictly voluntary. The only "payment" we require is that everyone have a good time.) We're also indebted to the guys behind the scenes that maintain the server, design, test, and implement the missions, and do the stats for us......all for FREE.

At 58 years of age I'm no kid, and like most here have lived life's ups and downs (lots of THOSE). Yes, there are certainly many people out there who are purely "what's in it for me" -- no question. But I share Woodstock's conviction that there are many talented individuals within our own 1C Forum community that would gladly undertake CoD mods and improvements, given the necessary SDK tools, and charge not one penny in return.

[winny]

Originally Posted by kristorf

Is it not though the proverbial ever decreasing circle, we won't buy the sequal/add-on/expansion as there are no gaurantees that it will work or fix CLoD, but if we don't buy it there possibly will never be a finished CLoD?

Also, are they working to fix CLoD or are they titbits throw to us until BoM is ready (if ever)??

Yes, it's quite possible that CoD will never get fixed and that BoM will never get released.

But we are the kings of our own destiny on this.

Let's just suppose for a moment that BoM gets released with CoD still not working properly.. Who in their right mind on here is gonna shell out for it?
Not many.

My prediction is that when they are happy with BoM we will get a patch for CoD.
Then BoM will be released.
There is no other logical approach that makes any business sense.

So my original point still stands, if you are angry about the sequel you should probably stop thinking in terms of CoD/BoM and try to see them as one entity with different plane sets and maps.

Like I said before, if the Devs decide to ditch CoD in favour of BoM then getting angry is probably justified. Until that day (which I don't think is gonna happen) The sequel shouldn't really be getting people outraged... It's at the very least a sign that the Devs see a future.

Don't get me wrong, the release of CoD has been a very disappointing experience, but to beat up on the Devs because they are trying to fix it, just not in the way you think they should do it, is pointless.

I have no problem with people being 'outraged' by the whole CoD thing either and am not here to make apologies for the Devs. I just found the reaction to the sequel to be rather knee jerk.

The reality for me is that I will not buy a sequel until CoD is, at the very least heading in the right direction. If everybody on here said the same then I'd have no problems with that. It's the 'why the hell are you working on that instead of fixing this' attitude that I was commenting on.. That and this in this case are the same thing.

Well its got a long way to go before it will drive me away from ROF thats the BEST dogfighting sim at the moment plus they go about the business in a proper manner and its awsome what they have achieved.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bob_Marley

Well its got a long way to go before it will drive me away from ROF thats the BEST dogfighting sim at the moment plus they go about the business in a proper manner and its awsome what they have achieved.

Great, they sure do conduct business, you have to pay for everything, sooner or later it's gonna be fuel and bullets.

[addman]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Great, they sure do conduct business, you have to pay for everything, sooner or later it's gonna be fuel and bullets.

Well, at least they are putting new content out there. Also, flightsims are even "nichier" than ever before, it's almost a miracle that games like CloD and RoF are still being released. Times are different, majority of PC gamers aren't playing flightsims anymore, it's not the 80's and 90's when the industry was spitting out tons of flightsims all the time. Making games is more costly and resource hungry than ever, I wouldn't even get mad if the RoF team charged for a cigar DLC because I understand that it's not financially viable to release ONE flightsim and expect to make enough money on DVD/digital sales alone to finance the next one, it's not possible.

If you do have some interest in the game industry, since CloD is in fact a game, then you would've noticed the reports from this years E3 was a lot about free to play games. Free to play games dominated this years E3 showfloor. This is the future of games, like it or not. If everybody is charging 40-60€ for a new game and there are a ton of interesting games every month on many different platforms then the competition is ferocious and almost impossible. This is the reason for free to play. Sorry if this became a bit of a long text but as I stated at the beginning, paying for stuff is something you and many others will have to get used to, unless you are willing to pay like 699€/$ for a complete flightsim.