DX9 / XP discussion

[Troll2k]

The back of the DVD box does say DX 9.

However it also says "play it on Ubi.com" and "This game is protected by digital rights management TAGES".

I have not heard any lawsuits about those missing items.

I have not seen any other retail game that had such a hard time with DX9.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Force10

Looks like someone has been drinking the 1C kool-aid! Umm.....no. First of all, you can get a card that supports DX10 for $30 dollars. These people that you think can't run it because of the video card DX9 deal, your saying that they have a dual core or quad core set up for the other requirements? If they do, then I think they can afford $30 for a DX10 card, if they can't afford that, then they have way bigger problems in life other than not being able to play COD. Some folks need to use their head before typing the first thing that pops in.

Technically, COD works in DX9 mode now. I tried it awhile ago when I was benchmarking and testing. It doesn't work well, but it will launch and play, so they have already made the box requirements. The box doesn't say "Optimized for DX9 with silky smooth performance" so they are in the clear. Don't believe the hype.

Do you know how you can tell when even the whiners are tried of whining about the same old thing?

Easy..

Just watch for the point where they turn on each other and begin eating their own!

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by elaurens

you know, this will no doubt get me a vacation from the forum, but why don't you lot that can do nothing but whine and moan and never get the point just bugger off.

Seriously.

You are never going to be happy with the sim, no matter how good it may get. Oleg could come back tomorrow, give all of you a gold plated freaking hotas setup of your choice, with a version of the sim that allowed your favorite plane to obliterate all comers, and give 1000+ fps with graphics set to mega uber beyond comprehension that would run on an apple ii, and you still would not be happy.

So why not go away and never come back?

You will be happier, and so will the rest of us.

qft!

Could we please have a locked official announcment\development update thread and people who wish can then vent their spleen elsewhere.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

but release the patch without it, most of the user aren't DX9ers, that part of the players can keep waiting for a bit more, but is unfair keep up us all waiting for and outdated tech for a few that doesn't want to update systems

Since the final patch will have DX9 support, it also has to be beta tested. So, why make two different patches, instead of making one for both DX versions and then using the spare time to fix other things: radio comms, AI, FMs, etc?

I really do want that patch and i hope they'll give the bombers some love now that we have a thread collecting bug reports about them, but i prefer to get a proper patch instead of band-aid fixes.

What i also don't get is how the same "it says so on the box so i want acceptable FPS" crowd is now going around telling people that "it doesn't matter what it says on the box". Pure hilarity.

In truth, if we decide the system requirements on the box don't mean anything, then they should not bother with fixing anything at all...not only DX9, but anything else. It says such and such card and above on the box, doesn't it? That includes all the DX10 and DX11 cards, right?

However, we want them to fix it. And that means delivering everything of what was advertised, including DX9 support.

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN

Dear Moderators,

Can we have a separate thread where people can ask why they are supporting DX9 and where we can continue to reply each time?

Thanks

I'm seriously contemplating it to be honest. There's a bunch of encouraging stuff in this update and all we get again is focusing on the ONE thing that is not as likeable.

It's not completely off-topic yet because DX9 is mentioned in the update. However, if it moves to detailed specifications on DX versions and DX user statistics, i'm definitely creating a new thread and moving all related posts there. I'll check again tomorrow and see how things are going in that regard.

Also, if certain people don't calm down soon, expect the post to be temporarily locked for clean-up and removal of posts that only serve the purpose of deliberately irritating each other.

This is not everyone's personal "let me vent my frustrations thread". If anybody wants such a thread create one in the pilot's lounge and knock your socks off (all can have their say as long as it's respectful to others and in the appropriate forum section), but don't drag this one through the mud or i'll do the same to your posting privileges. I think i'm making this as clear as can be.

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Do you know how you can tell when even the whiners are tried of whining about the same old thing?

Easy..

Just watch for the point where they turn on each other and begin eating their own!

I'm not sure what ya mean there Ace. My opinion hasn't wavered. I couldn't help noticing your turncoat ways below...

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

And a very short reply.. 86 DX9!

LOL! What a hypocrite. Now even he can't deny the devs BS so he has to attack others as a compensation mechanism.

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

What i also don't get is how the same "it says so on the box so i want acceptable FPS" crowd is now going around telling people that "it doesn't matter what it says on the box". Pure hilarity.

LOL Yep. I really, really wish it didn't say DX9 on the box but people saying it doesn't matter what is on the box is walking on pretty dangerous ground.

[Baron]

What most people seem to have forgotten is that the latest beta patch we are currently running does NOT support DX9.

Or maby its already been mentioned.

[McFeckit]

Would those people who have DX9 PCs please upgrade and save us all from this silly fiasco. Thank you.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by McFeckit

Would those people who have DX9 PCs please upgrade and save us all from this silly fiasco. Thank you.

The 15% are holding up 100% of the players. Nice.

DX9 Pirated Operating System users got this title stalled.

You just have to wait.

The positive part of going subscription based is we can cancel while we wait.

[hiro]

Thanks B6 for the update!

Thanks for the devs for working on this.


why DX9? Well regardless of why's they just have to do it. That's that.

It's like years ago one had at least 10 different WW 2 air sims and today we have ½ . The ½ is because if you add up DSC P-51, Il-2 1946, this game, as each ww2 sim has major deal breaker issues (outdated, no campaign, one ww2 aircraft to fly, etc) .

So one can bitch, cry, scream or moan wishing they had 10 ww2 sims to pick from, but only waiting will change that. Nothing they can do will hurry this along. Such is with this game and its fixing.

You will have a right to bitch, cry, scream, or moan if the devs just up and left or this iteration of IL-2 series was cancelled.

Heck it would be a neat marketing trick, just say its going away, and the scandal hits hard as a bullet to your chest. Then rest. 2 years later this awesome WW2 sim comes out with legendary aspects and modeling . . .


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DX9 isn't easy to fix. It's legacy code, friggin WIndows XP SP1

Why? New code to legacy code can work, but there is a limit. And legacy code, updated for new, that can only be taken so far.


Case in point was the millennium / Y2K. They didn't expect the code to be used for 2000, as they figured it'd be replaced. Then when 1999 rolls around and there isn't a replacement . . .

It's like getting a P-51 and keeping the design / layout and loading out for modern warfare. Sure you can give it the radar, the electronics, the turbo prop, the 20mm vulcan thru the nose, missiles, some stealth, new materials. And it'd make a great fighter.

But for CAS, the A-10 does it better, for AS, the F-15 can still beat it, for GA, the F-16 or Strike Eagle can smoke it. Its design puts limits on what it can do.

Its design can only be carried to far.

But the airforce is better off simply spec' ing a new fighter (F-22) or new jet for X purpose.

Same with coding and software. Why mucky muck with code that people left years ago?


I'll bet that when Oleg was here, the game we saw that was touted as 1946's sequel was coded for DX9. Afterwards that engine and code wasn't used for some unknown reason.

Then when they rushed with this new stuff (engine, broken-ness, code, and architecture yeah its a word, Americans can invent any English word )
and this is the alpha stuff we're dealing with, that didn't have DX 9 support.

Why? Because the new one works with DX11 because in 2011 / KONY 2012 its Windows 7. Roll back to XP, Uganda be kidding me. Kenya see the similarities between Win 7 and Vista? Because of that DX 10 (which is for Vista) is easier to reach.

And rolling dat sh** back takes time and a skillfull programming. Hence the time it's taking for this DX 9


And the time its taking for this game. Coding is less difficult and less error prone if properly designed, tested, and released.

Fixing nightmare code, is well, anycase its hard to fix and run a recompiler with Mr. Krueger on your tail (this game)

and fixing a walk in the park code with 300 of your buddies and 50 odd so top notch project managers, well let's just say even the dog has it easy with the robot that cleans up after it like all star teams the giants in the gaming business command. ( Blizzard or the conglomerations for MOW:COD or Arma ).




and for those complaining that B6's Frieday updates aren't real updates (no I am not pointing out the dark humor frieday updates, non english mothertrucker do you team speak it? ironic because the game isn't update post attempt at some degree of humor because I am pointing out the generality of some of the many that complain about the updates)

well one of the community's biggest pet peeves was lack of communication. Then more sane / level headed minds said that weekly telling us the patch is beyond the horizon would only induce more complaints.

Well to those complaining about Frieday updates, well you people get a big 'I Told You So' award.

Keep up the Friday updates B6. . .