end of the road

[stalkervision]

I don't know if this is true or not but doesn't maddox supply this server software originally? I am agains't tampering with any original code maddox supplies. It agains't the EULA don't you know...

[na85]

My project doesn't alter the software in any way, if that's what you're referring to.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Lo0n

wouldn't everyone be happy with a server side mod filter though? seems like it would cater for everyone...

You would think so... makes you wonder where some folks are really coming from .. at least it makes me wonder....

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by na85

My project doesn't alter the software in any way, if that's what you're referring to.

How do you do that?

[na85]

How do I do what?

[jasonbirder]

Surely for Server side verification of the files to ensure consistancy it will have to verify there are no changes to the files embedded in the sfs file?
Obviously it won't need to alter them...but presumably it will need to access them?
Good luck with your project by the way

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by stalkervision

I don't know if this is true or not but doesn't maddox supply this server software originally? I am agains't tampering with any original code maddox supplies. It agains't the EULA don't you know...

if you're going to start with the unnecessary stirring get a bigger spoon.

[jasonbirder]

if you're going to start with the unnecessary stirring get a bigger spoon.

Amidst the humour he does have a valid point...For as long as the Mod's have existed there has been the usual barrage of abuse and dissent from the cabal of competitive onliners who are opposed to this community modding effort...hundreds of posts devoted to describing it as Hacking, Criminal, Illegal, In breach of the EULA , vandalism of encrypted files that were never meant to be touched etc, etc...A cornerstone of their argument against it (Which lets be honest was just a smokescreen because they want to ensure ALL play is restricted to stock/vanilla IL2 1946) was that it was in breach of the EULA, in breach of intellectual propety laws etc etc...
Now all of a sudden the self same people are involved in development and testing of a programme that will need to access/verify these self same inviolate, untouchable files...Making them by their own logic guilty of the same offences...
Yet has there been the whisper of an apology? An admission that they were wrong? An acceptance that tinkering with the sim (Which is exactly what they are doing) can make the sim better?
Nope...you bet there hasn't!
To be honest I wish the effort well...because as I have said from the start, I believe users should be free to improve the game to maximise their enjoyment and immersion...
But I suggest that the people who have been anti-mod from the start either admit they were wrong...OR they can greet this server side verification programme with exactly the same wailing and gnashing of teeth..and the same accusations of vandalism and criminality.
Until then...the whiff of hypocrisy will hang in the air!

[Robert]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

Amidst the humour he does have a valid point...


It's never been humour. It's been a shit eating grin that say's F U to the community. Hey I can do what I want. Here's the middle finger while you're at it.


For as long as the Mod's have existed there has been the usual barrage of abuse and dissent from the cabal of competitive onliners who are opposed to this community modding effort...hundreds of posts devoted to describing it as Hacking, Criminal, Illegal, In breach of the EULA , vandalism of encrypted files that were never meant to be touched etc, etc...A cornerstone of their argument against it (Which lets be honest was just a smokescreen because they want to ensure ALL play is restricted to stock/vanilla IL2 1946) was that it was in breach of the EULA, in breach of intellectual propety laws etc etc...
Now all of a sudden the self same people are involved in development and testing of a programme that will need to access/verify these self same inviolate, untouchable files...Making them by their own logic guilty of the same offences...
Yet has there been the whisper of an apology? An admission that they were wrong? An acceptance that tinkering with the sim (Which is exactly what they are doing) can make the sim better?


It has nothing to do with making IL2 better. It has to do with correcting a wrong (whether perceived or real is irrelevent at this time). It has to do with making the sim safer, and the online experience on an equal level for those who wish to play. To put that on the same par as the hacking of locked files is ludicrous. Someone's got to clean the mess.


Nope...you bet there hasn't!
To be honest I wish the effort well...because as I have said from the start, I believe users should be free to improve the game to maximise their enjoyment and immersion...
But I suggest that the people who have been anti-mod from the start either admit they were wrong...OR they can greet this server side verification programme with exactly the same wailing and gnashing of teeth..and the same accusations of vandalism and criminality.


The apology should come from both sides for allowing the vitriol to continue for so long. Neither side has behaved admirably. If it were kids we were witnessing behave this way we'd be embarrassed for the parents.


Until then...the whiff of hypocrisy will hang in the air!

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[JG52Uther]

Maybe the ubi forum had the right idea.Even the mod forum is locking these threads now.