Shame on you for using STEAM !

[Vyper]

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

Y Steam's "don't autoupdate feature" works as long as Steam is working, but if you shut it down and start it back up it will update anything that isn't up to date. I do agree this feature needs to be fixed, but to use this as some point of vehement despise for the entire platform is a bit over the top you've got to admit.

Edit: was being an ass fixed it to be more polite

It's just one of the many reasons I don't use steam. You have to admit having a feature called "don't auto update" that only works while you are online is pointless if it updates on reboot regardless.

I don't understand why so many are so passionately defending that service. Seems kind of silly to me.

[Heliocon]

Steam is the best platform for PC gaming around atm. Its also the most profitable.

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by Vyper

It's just one of the many reasons I don't use steam. You have to admit having a feature called "don't auto update" that only works while you are online is pointless if it updates on reboot regardless.

I don't understand why so many are so passionately defending that service. Seems kind of silly to me.

a) I did agree.

b) No more silly than your bashing and flat out being disingenuous or lying about it.

[Vyper]

Originally Posted by Revvin

Thats was cleverly snipped to make it look as bad as possible, do you write newspaper headlines by any chance? If people read on then it does clearly state:

You must work for the news service...your post kind of proves my point.

"Individual information" is information about a user that is presented in a form distinguishable from information relating to other users but not in a form that personally identifies any user or enables the recipient to communicate directly with any user unless agreed to by the user in advance of such communication. This information may be used to improve Valve's products and online sites, for internal marketing studies, or simply to collect demographic information about Valve's users.

But since you are choosing to take snippets instead of grabbing the information as a whole, let me do more work for you.

Valve may use customer contact information provided by users to send information about Valve, including news about product updates, contests, events, and other promotional materials, but only if the users agree to receive such communications. Except in the cases described below, Valve will not share personally identifiable information with any third party unless the user agrees to such disclosure in advance. "Personally identifiable information" consists of a user's name, email address, physical address, or other data about the user that enables the recipient to personally identify the user. While Valve collects personally identifiable information on a voluntary basis, for certain products and online sites, Valve's collection of personally identifiable information may be a requirement for access to the product or site. Personally identifiable information will be processed and stored by Valve in databases situated in the United States. Valve may allow third parties performing services under contract with Valve to access stored information but such access shall only be to the extent necessary to provide those services.

By the time you add in all the little "click I agree" check boxes in those purposely long agreement statements, you've pretty much agreed to whatever they want from you. If someone sat you down and asked you in plain English for all the things they are collecting and asking for, you would tell them to go f themselves no way would you agree to than. but its easy to hide in the "crap i want to play let me click it" boxes.

We can go on and on. The point is, I choose not to be part of the corporate information and control machine. Why is that making you angry? Should I NOT be allow to make my own choices?

[Vyper]

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

a) I did agree.

b) No more silly than your bashing and flat out being disingenuous or lying about it.

Lying? Done with you.

[Robert]

I use my PC for work as well as entertainment. Several UBI games I purchased in years past gave my ability to burn DVDs the fits. I ended up uninstalling the games. Secure ROM on IL2 sometimes gave me burner issues as well. I imagine the security measures employed scanned and found out I can make ISO.files and create discs from them.

I don't have STEAM, and am really not too hyped on 'becoming a member' just so I can play CoD off line. Any of our members have issues with burning DVD discs for video edits and STEAM?

[Revvin]

Why would I tell them to go 'f' themselves? if you read the terms they are not passing on data, that would be illegal in most countries for a start under data protection laws nevermind the country Valve is registered in.

I'm not angry about anything, it appears you are very angry but I'm just trying to provide a little balance to an argument where you make misleading statements calling it a virus etc.

Of course you can choose not to have Steam on your system, but you don't have any right to play IL-2: CoD.

[KG26_Alpha]

Ok lets keep the bad language out of these posts please

Thank you

[zauii]

@Vyper

It's your responsibility alone to check what you agree upon, doesn't matter if its a wall of text.

With that said, there is no hidden agenda, no conspiracy , no Swat team waiting to storm your house and reveal your very secret identity. Read the terms in-depth and you'll hopefully realize that Steam is completely harmless.

[meshuggahs]

Originally Posted by tintifaxl

VAC is a toothless old dog, that can't bite any of the cheaters. Look at CS:S or COD. Absolutely useless.

Can't say bout those two, but TF2 seemed pretty clean of cheaters when I still played it.
Anyhoo, some protection is better than none