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[JG5_emil]

Originally Posted by Winger

Spit I has its chances. It turns better than the 109. If the 109 pilot doesnt use his strengths and gets involved in a dogfight hes dead meat.

You guys dont seem to get it. Fighting a Spit IIa in a 109 you are blue dead meat no matter what you do - given pilots on even skill level.
Thats my point.

While a Ia or a hurri with a good pilot not necessarily looses against a 109.
And btw. i would not get any satisfaction from a kill achieved in an ufo. Thats why i dont fly them.

Winger

Well said Winger. The Spit II problem is destroying playability.

[Jugdriver]

Part of the problem is the exaggerated comments that you die hard 109 pilots keep throwing out. The use of the word “UFO” and “Cheat” does not endure you to any of the guys that want to fly Red and in no way helps your cause. If this was a Spit II +12LBS the performance would be close to RL tested aircraft (what we have in CoD is suppose to be a Spit II +9 boost), so it is in no way out of the ordinary to see a Spit II perform to this level. Stick to the core and relevant argument that the other aircraft are under modeled and this one is over modeled and because of the gap should be excluded on those facts. The only thing you achieve by using BS rhetoric and exaggerations is to spur red pilots to take Spit II’s out just to spite you.

One more thing to keep in mind, the RAF aircraft that are modeled in CoD are all using 87 octane gas and are not up to the specification of the aircraft used during the BOB (with the exception of the present Spit II) which used 100 octane fuel and gave a considerable improvement in performance. This is going to be a hard fight for anyone who wants to fly Blue, you better get use to it.

JD
AKA_MattE

[SEE]

Tad overeacting chaps.

1. When I went on - a lot of players were choosing Rotols and Mk1's even though the Spit2 was available.

2. I take all the Spits to 18K+ and the Mk2 is not a UFO up there!

3. Trying to push this agenda to rid the servers by stigmatising anyone who chooses a Mk2 Spit to feel guilty or, imply they must be incompetent, isn't helpfull and neither is it true.

4. The guys who run this server are SIM enthusiasts too! Whatever they do regards plane sets seems to leave them feeling uncomfortable in terms of player balance. Give them a chance to assess the outcomes.

5. Totally agree with Jug - keep the arguments to the imbalance on incorrect FM and push to get it fixed - everyone will be happy!

6. The polls are in their infancy. Be patient, see how things turn out.

I am sure that, if it becomes necessary, it will be removed.

[Valec]

Originally Posted by Winger

Spit I has its chances. It turns better than the 109. If the 109 pilot doesnt use his strengths and gets involved in a dogfight hes dead meat.

You guys dont seem to get it. Fighting a Spit IIa in a 109 you are blue dead meat no matter what you do - given pilots on even skill level.
Thats my point.

While a Ia or a hurri with a good pilot not necessarily looses against a 109.
And btw. i would not get any satisfaction from a kill achieved in an ufo. Thats why i dont fly them.

Winger

Yesterday I saw you fight (someone with your nickname) flew over our airport landing Hurry destroyed. then flew around the airport for them 3 Hurri. Nobody caught up or rise. Did you have one ass. Finally, you have two shot down in peace and still flew. And that you enjoy if you do not rival. Yes, Germans probably enjoy meetings when there is a cry from the Spitfire MkII.

[trumps]

Sorry mate, that does not translate well.

Craig

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by Jugdriver

Part of the problem is the exaggerated comments that you die hard 109 pilots keep throwing out. The use of the word “UFO” and “Cheat” does not endure you to any of the guys that want to fly Red and in no way helps your cause. If this was a Spit II +12LBS the performance would be close to RL tested aircraft (what we have in CoD is suppose to be a Spit II +9 boost), so it is in no way out of the ordinary to see a Spit II perform to this level. Stick to the core and relevant argument that the other aircraft are under modeled and this one is over modeled and because of the gap should be excluded on those facts. The only thing you achieve by using BS rhetoric and exaggerations is to spur red pilots to take Spit II’s out just to spite you.

One more thing to keep in mind, the RAF aircraft that are modeled in CoD are all using 87 octane gas and are not up to the specification of the aircraft used during the BOB (with the exception of the present Spit II) which used 100 octane fuel and gave a considerable improvement in performance. This is going to be a hard fight for anyone who wants to fly Blue, you better get use to it.

JD
AKA_MattE

And you Sir need to read the whole thread before you point the finger...The Spit2 is a 'Ufo' compared to the other Under modeled AC in game..You can run the thing constantly at full 110% with no engine DMG... thats right then is it?

I think weve all stated its either because the Spit2 is overmodeled OR the other AC are undermodeled...The 109 sealevel speed is def undermodeled..

No we wont get used to it either so take yer smart ass comments else where..read between the lines instead of writing a load of turd

How many times have you read 'The FM's are porked, they need work..the Spit2 looks like its the only AC near to its RL values'..

Sry m8 but posting crap like that just irritates people...get your facts straight before you post..

I think we all have played Sims enough to know how well and good a fighter the Spit is..Ive been flying it since day1 in Il2 so im no die hard 109 pilot that i can assure you...compared to what the 109 has in the way of top speed the Spit2 does seem like a super 'uber' AC in comparison

[JG52Krupi]

If this is what we are expected to live with I fear for the day the spit mk 9 +25 boost arrives, the mk2 already outperforms the 109 so much

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by SEE

Tad overeacting chaps.

1. When I went on - a lot of players were choosing Rotols and Mk1's even though the Spit2 was available.

2. I take all the Spits to 18K+ and the Mk2 is not a UFO up there!

3. Trying to push this agenda to rid the servers by stigmatising anyone who chooses a Mk2 Spit to feel guilty or, imply they must be incompetent, isn't helpfull and neither is it true.

4. The guys who run this server are SIM enthusiasts too! Whatever they do regards plane sets seems to leave them feeling uncomfortable in terms of player balance. Give them a chance to assess the outcomes.

5. Totally agree with Jug - keep the arguments to the imbalance on incorrect FM and push to get it fixed - everyone will be happy!

6. The polls are in their infancy. Be patient, see how things turn out.

I am sure that, if it becomes necessary, it will be removed.

Sup m8 ~S~

Hmm,

Yes you are right...The spit doesn't perform well up high as well as the 109..neither does the Hurri..the problem is.. the ceiling performance is 'shot' on all sides atm for one thing.

Secondly who red will take their bird up high when they know they don't perform as well and secondly, they are not exactly effective against bombers, they were never supposed to be..

So Blues wont stay up there unless they like just shooting AI..you mat as well play SP then..so you go to Med Alt and you get owned by SPit2 because...and I say again, the Other birds are not modeled correctly..

The Spit2 is a great plane..include it in the servers WHEN the 109 has its top speed sorted so you can at least run away...after all dive and run away is what the germans done, they Bnz'd and run..they attacked bombers with cannon...

They did not EVER attack Spits and get chased down, climbed up to or caught in speed like they can now..

This is about giving the Reds thae plane, then taking it away so now all the BS...its been left out, get over it, it was left out for a reason, what reason was given for it to be introduced? Mineshells? LOL please..

The Spit2 yesterday was supposed to be limited to 4 AC on the map....really?

Ive voted keep the dam thing in to stop this bickering..when it was out no Reds moaned cuz they knew, now theyve had a taste they are kicking up about it because the Blues are just stating facts

Put it inland, sort the AAA out over at France..keep the bombers High if it needs to be in..but i have a feeling regulars will not fly in this server untill the Fm's are fixed on BOTH sides including the SPit1/1a

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

If this is what we are expected to live with I fear for the day the spit mk 9 +25 boost arrives, the mk2 already outperforms the 109 so much

lol..Yak anyone?

[Ze-Jamz]

If you see me on the server you know Im attacking bombers..mostly..someone climbs up to me they normally end up back down again..this argument doenst really concern me as much as the flyers that are not interested in AI, they just want to DF

So Im not really biased here..hence why i voted for it to be put way back inland etc etc so i get a bit more action up high

This is the bit i dont get:

If before everyone was happy flying either TnB in a Spit or more BnZ in a Hurri and the blues done whatever in their 'Only' fighter why now introduce something that is causing masses of friction and taking away peoples enjoyment online..?

Thats the bit I dont get..Its left out=no arguments..Intoduced=all this

Is it so hard for us to agree that the fighters ingame now APART from the Spit2 need work so if thats the case why dont we leave it out like it was before and no one complained..not Red not Blue

Simples..