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Old 04-22-2013, 06:13 AM
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Default Just curious about the P-51 FM



At 10:40 in this clip, a real life combat pilot describes a maneuver he used in WWII. Can anyone perform this exact maneuver with a P-51D in IL-2?

Also, the pilot uses the term 'full bottom rudder' and the narrator uses the term 'rudder down' to describe the same action. I've never heard either term before and not quite sure what they mean. Does anyone know?

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Old 04-22-2013, 07:37 AM
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A more or less, probably less, simple snap stall, isn't it? Down rudder might refer to being 90° banked and use rudder to nose down.

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Old 04-22-2013, 08:38 AM
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Uh...I first thought: Who is answering to this old discussion now?

It has been here already quite some time ago. Conclusion was, that the physics in 'Dogfights' series are not well rendered.


EDIT: Ah no, it was a different maneuver, but not less suspicious. I think, here he just stalled and flipped over while turning too narrow, and luckily recovered quite fast, having the right angle for - nose down. I do this in Fw190s occasionally. He just claimes it to be a planed maneuver now - because in 'Won the war- P-51s' you cannot do any thing by mistake.
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:57 AM
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Look at 23:00. This is a situation, where in IL-2 every experienced player tells you to do exactly the same as the japanese pilot in the Frank: keeping speed and gain height. In this movie, they call it a 'mistake'. All the Mustang did was some 'spray and pray', like often seen in IL-2 too. Its just luck, as many of the 'kills' in that series. In fact, the Mustang was princibly dead, if there would have been a second Frank behind. And I'd call that 'maneuver' a even bigger mistake itself.


That series is not to be taken as serious display of history pls.
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:07 PM
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I wonder if those pilots whose talk at 10:40 and 39:00 were able to understand the law of conservation of energy in physics.
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Old 04-22-2013, 05:50 PM
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I wonder if those pilots whose talk at 10:40 and 39:00 were able to understand the law of conservation of energy in physics.
The pilots may not be the problem - they percieved what they tell the way they tell (and that can be pretty inaccurate) - and though snap-stalling your plane would count as a desperate measure in my book, they got away. What this show makes from these pilots testimonies -verbally and visually - that's the real problem. Every 08/15 maneuvre is "daredevil death-defiyng whatnot" and every maneuvre the enemy does is a mistake or worse. And the visual representation is even worse - some of the moves they show would test the limits of a heli pilots skills....and of course anything hit by .50 cal fire insta-explodes in reality.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:13 AM
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History Channel is good for exaggerations, mistakes, omissions and the occasional downright lie for gullibility's sake. The shows are best watched and jeered in groups with score pads to compete for error-finding.

Watch it for the mistakes, especially when the commentator speaks.

The veteran pilots were there but how many were trained to put everything into words that a non-pilot can correctly understand? Being a WWII pilot did not automatically confer writing ability nor does having a writer confer the ability to explain it all accurately. Did the pilot know everything that went on? How many used the word confusion to describe times in battle? But apparently some people believe that 'being there' is a magical formula to enable the pilots to make everything clear and concise to anyone. What a joke!

History Channel? More like Revision Channel, Quote-Mine Channel, Lightweight Channel, Rah-Rah Channel, Gullibility Channel, etc.

But they usually have some vintage footage to grab stills from.
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Since nobody knew what 'full bottom rudder' meant, I found this info:

A skid is an uncoordinated maneuver occurring when the pilot uses too much rudder input in the direction of the turn. Another way to say that is the pilot uses too much “bottom rudder.”

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I think that corroborates the idea mentioned about it being a type of snap roll.
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