KBDS Normal/Hard/Impossible No-loss thread

[Zhuangzi]

Lucky for me, in this playthrough, I didn't bother picking up all those spider eggs in the Catacombs. I guess I'd better go back there and start picking.

450 fights? Christ, this is going to take a while then. DG - where do you get those Dark Paladins? Haven't seen any yet.

[MattCaspermeyer]

Originally Posted by zjazd18

I'm at final boss atm, level 73, 450 fights no-loss (haven't done any item upgrading fights) so you get rough idea how long the game is. Still have like 10 quests to do but I'm gonna pass on them as I'm quite burned from the game. Last fight seems fun, but nothing spectacular, just adds spawning I need to replace my dragon riders as there is unavoidable damage, so they are no good for no-loss approach.

Galenirim is pretty late game location like 50s or so, and you get it from the maps. The baloon quest is important tho, as it leads to your ability to fly, so definitely look out for those spider eggs.

Wow! I'm only level 65 with 447 no loss fights, but I have fought every artifact upgrade battle so that's maybe why I have so many more fights for such a lower level.

By the way, some of the Gremlin Towers have 60 to 70k hp!

I know what you mean about being burnt out - I've been a bit bored with it since about level 50, but I guess I'll finish as many quests as I can to be thorough.

I did have 6 Scrolls of Ancient Knowledge and just started using them so hopefully I'll be getting a lot of experience for these last batch of battles. I just need to dethrone the Galenrim King and then I'll just have Helvedia and Atrixus left.

By the way, why don't they show the Wanderer Scrolls active any more on the right side of the screen? Did they not have it in WotN / I&F, either? It'd be nice to know which of my Wanderer Scrolls are active as in AP / CW.

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[MattCaspermeyer]

Originally Posted by Zhuangzi

Lucky for me, in this playthrough, I didn't bother picking up all those spider eggs in the Catacombs. I guess I'd better go back there and start picking.

450 fights? Christ, this is going to take a while then. DG - where do you get those Dark Paladins? Haven't seen any yet.

Dark Paladins become available after you complete the Portland quests of dethroning the current leader.

As an aside, be sure to pick up on the spider eggs, etc. when you see them as you never know when you might need them in the future.

Some quests do provide you with them - there's a quest in Aralan where you need to bring someone 1 Spider Egg, 1 Dragonfly Egg, 1 Griffin Egg, 1 Thorn Seed, and 1 Ent Sprout. I was wracking my brain as to where I had seen a Griffin Egg, when I realized that they placed armies on the island for you to fight to get each item. In fact each item was a quest item that you couldn't use.

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[DGDobrev]

Exactly, I got Dark Paladins when dethroned the portland king, but they were only measly 14, when I could command over 40, so it makes very little sense to use them, unless you feel very comfortable with the sacrifice spell. So I opted out of using Dark Paladins for the time being.

Working my way through Tristem now. There we have 2 maps I want Both guardians count as deadly, so it is a challenge.

[zjazd18]

Originally Posted by MattCaspermeyer

Wow! I'm only level 65 with 447 no loss fights, but I have fought every artifact upgrade battle so that's maybe why I have so many more fights for such a lower level.

By the way, some of the Gremlin Towers have 60 to 70k hp!

I know what you mean about being burnt out - I've been a bit bored with it since about level 50, but I guess I'll finish as many quests as I can to be thorough.

I did have 6 Scrolls of Ancient Knowledge and just started using them so hopefully I'll be getting a lot of experience for these last batch of battles. I just need to dethrone the Galenrim King and then I'll just have Helvedia and Atrixus left.

By the way, why don't they show the Wanderer Scrolls active any more on the right side of the screen? Did they not have it in WotN / I&F, either? It'd be nice to know which of my Wanderer Scrolls are active as in AP / CW.

/C\/C\

Yea i have more late game battles, and less early ones from item upgrading etc. I fought most of my battles with 10%exp bonus from items, and ofc learning maxed asap. Once you pop AK and do these late game hero battles levels will fly like crazy. Last 3 battles at whitehill gave me 3 levels so yeah it's pretty ridiculous. Still miscalculated my AK scrolls and have 2 left, so go spend them while you can, just save 1 for these last battles.

Those towers have huge hp but no damage from what I've seen. There are some quests with battles with them and they were doing like 200dmg lightning with no ricochet. So definitely the ones spawning more troops are more annoying.

Yeah that must be a bug with those wanderer scrolls not showing up remaining duration. Kinda annoying but at least they work

Still haven't killed last boss, gave up at turn 50ish and boss still had like 3/4 of hp remaining. Will do it later as I got into Pillars of Eternity beta, and man did i love baldur's gate series.

EDIT: Realized something while writing this post, went to try it out and boss went down on first try. Won't spoil it for you guys, if someone cant beat it pm me, but strategy wasn't really creative or anything.

[DGDobrev]

Congrats

The game really opened up for me now after I got the 2 Tristem maps. So I went on an explore/steal spree, and opened Galenirim, Bear Butte, Sandy and Amazonia. Being able to port between islands is amazing, as you need to finish a lot of cross-island quests.

I think I have only 2 undiscovered islands now, and I will get those 2 eventually as well. At level 30, my lineup is Archdemons, Demonologists (+Phantom, it's amazing), Shamans, Trolls and 4 Reds. Still looking for something to sub the Reds with... I think I saw cyclopses somewhere. They will sure pack a punch from range till I find something better.

Sadly, still no luck with the Dark Paladins.

[zjazd18]

Originally Posted by DGDobrev

Congrats

Sadly, still no luck with the Dark Paladins.

Thank you.

Have you been to Inselburg? I got my paladins from there(shops around castle) and some from Portland castle (20 or something like that).

Haven't seen them anywhere else and their numbers are really low, but Recruiter skill in demoness tree really kept me fully stocked on paladins.

[DGDobrev]

Inselburg has none. I have gotten 14 from the Portland castle, and checking the shops in the same area, saw 15 more. So that's a grand total of 29. I think I saw some more on Sandy, but I also found a lot of Archies and Trolls there, so I will be ok for the time being. The shamans shine in a level 5 setup, and Demonologists + Phantom can res level 5 units easily.

Eventually, I would love to get more Dark Paladins, though, cause I want to use them is a similar setup as yours. I kind of envision my late game with Dark Paladins, Knights or Dark Knights, Executioners, Demons and Demonologists. Level 5 units become a pain to resurrect after a certain level, as the enemies grow quite powerful, so level 4 army, as in KBAP, looks like the way to go.

[MattCaspermeyer]

@zjazd18 is right about the Paladin Recruiter skill - I've been using it for almost 200 fights and have been using it to keep my ArchDemon stacks maxed out.

I have 183 ArchDemons in reserve with two stacks of 20 and 19. I've probably recruited 193 of them.

I think, though, they changed the recruiter percent from 6 to 3% of your total Leadership; My ArchDemon Leadership is 1170 now (due to bonuses) and I have about 44k Leadership and 3% of that is 1320. It seemed like you needed to have enough Leadership for at least 1 troop for it to work so it is better used with level 4 and below troops. Since it was 6% before, I was able to start recruiting ArchDemons around 25k Leadership or a touch higher.

So you should be able to max out your Dark Paladin (or whoever else you'd like) stack, once you get it, pretty easily. I don't think it works with Dragons, though, and certainly not with Dragon Riders (I think these troops are not available in any normal shops, only special ones) as I have never gotten any of those troops from it.

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[DGDobrev]

Question: after my main lineup has filled up, will recruiter start increasing the reserve troops? So far it hasn't happened. I am looking at 30 Dakries and 10 Knights for like 10-15 battles now.