I would like one question,why is not included in this part of the E4 Messer?

[Flying Pencil]

Originally Posted by csThor

A cannon between the cylinder hubs of an Emil is plain and utter bullsh*t! The Emil did have its main oil tank where the breech of such a weapon would have been so there is no technical possibility of an ordinary Emil having a centerline weapon. This is a fairy tale from the earliest days of research on the Bf 109 and continues to live on through lazy authors who copy from earlier works rather than research details on their own. There may have been one or two pre-series prototypes being tested with a centerline MG FF, but I'm rather sceptical about this. These "Bf 109 E-2" sound too much like one of these urban myths ...

To be precise, Thor, no OPERATIONAL Emil went to the front.

The original intent of the E series was for a "motorkanon", but for reasons they could not make a reliable installation in time.

Otherwise, why go though the expense of producing the expensive VDM propeller hub?

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

Wasn't this the list of planes included in their beta?

That doesn't mean there won't be an E4 in the final.

I'll wait for the official announcement, before I cry and run in circles.

Too bad you Luftwhiners will have to learn to aim better

I think the E4 will be available as a buyable addon rather like the RoF model. You Lufties will be desperate for it after our Spitfires get stuck in, 8 guns against your unarmoured canopies, it's going to be PK City I can see what Oleg is doing, you guys will have your wallets out as soon as you possibly can - it'll be like real war, except with money instead of politics lol

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

The don't give so much about the names anyway. Just look at the Spitfire names, the "a" in "Mk. Ia" was added to all machine gun armed "Mk. I" when the canon armed "Mk. Ib" came in service. So having a "Mk. I" and a "Mk. Ia" doesn't make much sense as they are the same subversion.

I suspect it's been said already but that's not true. The Spitfire letter denotes the wing type, A being 8 gun, B supporting cannon, C a multipurpose wing of cannon or mixed 303 and E 50cal + cannon

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Well the E4's were in production in 1939 so they would have appeared in numbers during the BOB, to leave this out of the game is very poor. The E3's were upgraded to E4's as well.

You are wrong. Less than 30% were E4's by the time the BoB was ending.

JG2 had mostly E-1's throughout, only the likes of Galland had newer types.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Ltbear

And if the RAF boys say give us the hispano, think twice. The version of the Hispano used doing BOB was a piece of junk. They jammed ALOT and was disregarded until a better version was made. When they worked i have to admit it was a great gun, but a 80% failure rate is playing lotto with your life.

Oh dear. And I thought all Americans were gun nuts

No, the hispano wasn't the problem, it was the fact that it was mounted upright and g forces would cause jams. Some genius had the idea of putting it on it's side, et voila, a reliable gun.

But since you are on the subject of reliable guns from the RAF you should read the story on wikipedia about the US attempts to 'improve' the Hispano

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispano...#US_production

Makes me laugh anyway, that's why you all got stuck with 50cal's

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

Originally Posted by Osprey

You are wrong. Less than 30% were E4's by the time the BoB was ending.

JG2 had mostly E-1's throughout, only the likes of Galland had newer types.

And your sources? Please list. I'd like to know more.

Everything I have access to shows that across the extent of deployed Geshwader, both early in BoB and late in Bob E-1's - were minority - only assigned to some Enlisted pilots. Galland was in JG26 not 2.

I think also that Galland, Wick, Balthasar and other 'Kannon' mainly had E-4/N's. Look at the Octane rating on their aircraft in profiles. The issues is a bit confused by E-1's/E-3's with E-4 canopy and E-3's which had ben upgraded to E-4 standard.

BTW, my main JG26 source "JG26 Top Guns of the Luftwaffe - Donald Caldwell".

S!

Gunny

[robtek]

Just for info:

The canopy style has NOTHING to do with E3 or E4!!!!
The only difference between those models are the weapons in the wings!!!!
E3 -> MG-FF
E4 -> MG-FF/M

So ANY E3 that received the weapon upgrade was automatically a E4.
The squared canopy was refitted to all Emils when available, but some pilots wanted visibility more than protection.

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

I only used the term E4 canopy for convieniance sake.

Any idea of a better term?

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by TUSA/TX-Gunslinger

I only used the term E4 canopy for convieniance sake.

Any idea of a better term?

Dunno, say rounded-frame and square-frame canopy I guess.

[WTE_Galway]

I am in favor of as many early models as possible.

The "whinge and whine" factor of online hotrod jocks complaining about needing faster later machines means flightsims very rarely progress backwards in time.

Hence the earlier the initial models in the sim are the better.