Friday 2010-09-03 Dev. update and Discussions

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Redwan

And the ‘brutality of war’ would be more realistic like this:

well... how can you say it would be more realistic? that looks more hollywood tbh.

i'm guessing to get blood splatter like that you'd be talking either arterial spray or explosive shells removing both tissue and clothing. don't forget pilots wore a lot of clothing and, at least in bob, were usually subject to death by rifle calibre bullets. combine these two factors and bleeding out would be limited to soaking pilot suits, not decorating the inside of the plane like someone has been overly enthusiastic with the ketchup bottle. unless you it's a very specific bullet strike area then there wouldn't be large amounts of blood splatter. and certainly not in such patterns as you've added.

[smink1701]

Amazing.

BRING IT!

[Avimimus]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

well... how can you say it would be more realistic? that looks more hollywood tbh.

i'm guessing to get blood splatter like that you'd be talking either arterial spray or explosive shells removing both tissue and clothing. don't forget pilots wore a lot of clothing and, at least in bob, were usually subject to death by rifle calibre bullets. combine these two factors and bleeding out would be limited to soaking pilot suits, not decorating the inside of the plane like someone has been overly enthusiastic with the ketchup bottle. unless you it's a very specific bullet strike area then there wouldn't be large amounts of blood splatter. and certainly not in such patterns as you've added.

I agree. We are much to influenced by the ketchup scene in the "Battle of Britain" movie.

Later in the war 30mm explosive shells might do a lot more damage to a human body, but the colour would be different and most of the displaced remains would likely be on other places than the windshield.

We should all be really impressed by the gunner moving around btw.

[Jumo211]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

well... how can you say it would be more realistic? that looks more hollywood tbh.

i'm guessing to get blood splatter like that you'd be talking either arterial spray or explosive shells removing both tissue and clothing. don't forget pilots wore a lot of clothing and, at least in bob, were usually subject to death by rifle calibre bullets. combine these two factors and bleeding out would be limited to soaking pilot suits, not decorating the inside of the plane like someone has been overly enthusiastic with the ketchup bottle. unless you it's a very specific bullet strike area then there wouldn't be large amounts of blood splatter. and certainly not in such patterns as you've added.

No , no , that picture looks almost funny comparing to reality .
Have you watched " The Fighting Lady " documentary ? , there you can see badly injured WWII U.S. pilot returning and landing on the aircraft carrier deck and look at his canopy , you won't see anything through the blood splatter everywhere all over the glass , how he managed to land that bloody crate is beyond me , they even tell you how that happened .
I will make HD DVD quality video of it tomorrow .
It's the only color footage I know of which shows such devastated blood canopy and pilot is not only alive but also managed to land his plane .
One of the well know Japanese Zero pilot hero in another documentary " Wings of Defeat " is talking about flak exploding close to his cockpit ripping off the whole bottom of his leg , I am sure that must have been wonderful inside cockpit yet he managed to tighting up and choke temporarily leg blood artery and returned for a landing .
Human being is capable of an amazing things in order to survive .

Thank you luthier for nice update , once there is BoB:SoW video available , we will all talk more in detail .

S! HG

[Alien]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

well... how can you say it would be more realistic? that looks more hollywood tbh.

i'm guessing to get blood splatter like that you'd be talking either arterial spray or explosive shells removing both tissue and clothing. don't forget pilots wore a lot of clothing and, at least in bob, were usually subject to death by rifle calibre bullets. combine these two factors and bleeding out would be limited to soaking pilot suits, not decorating the inside of the plane like someone has been overly enthusiastic with the ketchup bottle. unless you it's a very specific bullet strike area then there wouldn't be large amounts of blood splatter. and certainly not in such patterns as you've added.

Sorry I'm a bit late, but this effect would be pretty realistic in RAF's planes which were shot by cannons, or bombers attacked by 19th squadron. Or flak, of course

[*Buzzsaw*]

This is obviously a little cartoonish, but in fact WWII aerial combat could be pretty gruesome.

'Buzz' Beurling described shooting down an Italian pilot in a Macchi.

"I came right up underneath his tail. I was going faster than he was; about fifty yards behind. I was tending to overshoot. I weaved off to the right, and he looked out to his left. I weaved to the left and he looked out to his right. So, he still didn't know I was there. About this time I closed up to about thirty yards, and I was on his portside coming in at about a fifteen-degree angle. Well, twenty-five to thirty yards in the air looks as if you're right on top of him because there is no background, no perspective there and it looks pretty close. I could see all the details in his face because he turned and looked at me just as I had a bead on him. One of my can shells caught him in the face and blew his head right off. The body slumped and the slipstream caught the neck, the stub of the neck, and the blood streamed down the side of the cockpit. It was a great sight anyway. The red blood down the white fuselage. I must say it gives you a feeling of satisfaction when you actually blow their brains out."

Although he seems to be laughing it off in this quote, in fact Beurling had nightmares about this incident for the remainder of his life, his girlfriends described him waking up screaming in a cold sweat.

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by Redwan

The trees are perfect !!! The grass looks OK but it

And the ‘brutality of war’ would be more realistic like this:

yeah and if the sim looked like that, it would be rated 18+ in most European countries, that would mean a lot of die hard tots that are here and living in Europe would not get the game! Maybe think before asking for Hollywood, although thinking of Hollywoods version of "Pearlharbour" I think I have to look for a paper bag.

[philip.ed]

I don't want gore...but Il-2 did have a gore setting which, in many ways, was quite bloody.

[BigC208]

Maybe the Hurricane pilot looks short because he's not modeled sitting on his parachute pack yet. Making things blend in at a distance should not be that hard I think. Less individual detail at a distance should be easier on the computer. The dammage modeling on the 111 is looking great and although the plane is being shot from underneath their behinds, the crew snoozes on
Not too violent but gunners and crew are clearly incapcitated enough that you can base you next move on it. Close in and set the thing on fire or go on to the next target. Stil a WIP but I'm enjoying the showings more and more.

[luthier]

I just want to say that you guys are INSANE.