Don't have Men of war...but have a question.

[Crni vuk]

Originally Posted by Korsakov829

Each mission follows specific soldiers and commanders. The Soviet missions have Kuznetsov and Smirnov (I don't believe they were at Kursk)

You could put these extra missions as bonus maps, but they won't go into the campaign.

Well then they could have made it bonus missions at least. Thing is just that I have the feeling a lot more attention was spend to the Soviet mission. Particularly the Allied mission was extremly boring. Except for 1 or 2 missions. And the end came way to sudenly. It was like "ok last assault by the Germans now letz get to Itally/europe!" but nothing. It was simply over. kinda sad

[Korsakov829]

The allies were really boring in real life. Most of the heavy fighting took place on the Eastern front.

[Crni vuk]

wong:

Falaise pocket

Operation Totalize

Operation Market Garden

Battle of the Bulge

Operation Overlord

Crossing of the Rhine - Ruhrpocket

Allied invasion of Sicily, Anzio, Avalange, Gustav Line, Monte Casino etc.

~ and to some extend there are the operations of 1940 during the German invasion in France where the British and French troops saw fighting. Not every battle there was a clear victory for the Germans and in some indidivual cases the allies proved a hard defence though as whole they could not gain the tactical iniative.


Granted the west didnt saw some of the battles like in the east with operations that saw men advancing in the million but Kursk was also not something you had every day even though champaigns in the east involved a lot of contingents but many battles have been as well siedges or encirclements. But here the War started in 41 and had much room for the Germans to operate. The first major operations with the US primarily was in Africa around November 42 (Operation Torch). The battles in france have seen quite a lot of heavy fights particulary around Caen (Operation Totalize) where the British forces at some point faced aprox 70% of the in France deployed German armored forces. And those have been quite a lot. One could also name the operations in the Netherlands (Market Garden) which was the bigest paratrooper operation since today even biger to the D-Day operation or the Ardenes (Wacht am Rhein - Battle of the Buldge) to name a few other situations with heavy fighting. The Falaise Pocket eventualy was a pocket which traped aprox 100 000 German soldiers inside exposing them to heavy artillery fire since the Allies didnt managed to close it completely in time so the Wehrmacht managed to almost remove all their men under constant shelling and bombing. But they had to leave any heavy equipment back though. I think only a handfull of vehicles made it out from the thousands of armor which was left behind.

It is plain wrong and historicaly very questionable to simply say the east would have been the only location wich has seen heavy fighting.

[Nikitns]

~ 85% of Wermacht KIA happened in the East.

4.3 million axis KIA, 6,8 million Soviet+allies KIA... very bloody

[Korsakov829]

The only thing I thank the allies for was the trucks for our rockets, North Africa, and Battle of the Bulge.

The allies were somewhat lazy to begin with while in the East our people threw rocks at tanks. The war could have been won in 3 years instead of 6 if a little more effort had been put into it.

[TodaysKiller]

If the americans never joined in...It would of been a tough fight, and I personally believe Hitler would of waxed Britian, then turned all of his attention on russia and wipe them out too...

I mean heck, look at D-Day, thousands of Americans/britians/canadians lost their life on that day, without the D-Day landings/paratrooper jumps in the night before...They would of never been able to push inland and personally I think Germany would of still been in control of France, and would of bombed the living hell outta Britian :/...Then took over the rest of Europe and Asia in no time...then sooner or later the whole world lol.

[Evilsausage]

Don't be so sure that Germany would had ruled the world. Yes with UK out of the picture USSR would have had it even harder.
But Germany was struggeling with Stalingrad, Just think about how hard it would be to capture Moscow.

Soviet had already moved there important factories far away from the frontlines. Beginning to produce more and more equipment.
The war might had been a few years longer but i do think Soviet would had won anyway.
Germany could't match Soviet in terms of production and manpower, even if there factories did't get bombed by the brits/USA.

[Korsakov829]

Originally Posted by TodaysKiller

If the americans never joined in...It would of been a tough fight, and I personally believe Hitler would of waxed Britian, then turned all of his attention on russia and wipe them out too...

I mean heck, look at D-Day, thousands of Americans/britians/canadians lost their life on that day, without the D-Day landings/paratrooper jumps in the night before...They would of never been able to push inland and personally I think Germany would of still been in control of France, and would of bombed the living hell outta Britian :/...Then took over the rest of Europe and Asia in no time...then sooner or later the whole world lol.

Interference from the Allies = less land for the USSR. If Stalin wanted to conquer the world, having Germany have the other half would be a perfect excuse to invade America and other countries. World domination does not work, everyone saw the Roman Empire, Russian Empire, and Mongolian empire along with the USSR crumble. You can have 10 leaders equally divide the world and have something like the UN rule, but not one whole country or unified earth without war or riots.

[KnightFandragon]

Originally Posted by Evilsausage

Don't be so sure that Germany would had ruled the world. Yes with UK out of the picture USSR would have had it even harder.
But Germany was struggeling with Stalingrad, Just think about how hard it would be to capture Moscow.

Soviet had already moved there important factories far away from the frontlines. Beginning to produce more and more equipment.
The war might had been a few years longer but i do think Soviet would had won anyway.
Germany could't match Soviet in terms of production and manpower, even if there factories did't get bombed by the brits/USA.

Is this asuming Japan was also not in the war? Im sure if us/uk werent in it then Japan woulda taken what they wanted in the pacific then attacked Russia from their side and Germany from the other making Russia fight a 2 front war. With Japanese not fightiing in the pacific they coulda put in more production into better tanks and better supplied thier men to give the RUssians a tougher fight, meanwhile with Germany not fighting a 3 front war in Italy, France and Russia they coulda put more time and manpower into making mroe Tiger's, Panthers, fixing the flaws in their 262s and making the King Tiger more mechanically reliable. Meanwhile the Russians prolly woulda been on a 2 front war and it woulda been thier factories being bombed by im sure both sides and they woulda had a harder time mass producing thos T34s and research woulda been harder for them so im sure the IS2 wouldnt have come as soon. The Germans woulda taken the oil or w/e it was they were after in Africa so supply wouldnt have been a problem so much for them. Then they woulda also been able to produce more of those STG 44's giving thier squads better firepower against the mass Russian charges.

[Korsakov829]

Russian tanks and much of their other equipment was manufactured in the Urals, well hidden and fortified.