SM.79 porked (or forgotten) damage model

[Tipo_Man]

Originally Posted by 150GCT_Diego

Typo man, i'm sorry, but it's all your fault.

Either you don't know how to shoot or you have a bugged version of the game, in whitch Your weapon didn't work OR the SM79 it's invulnerable.

Really, i have tried to kill the pilot with ONLY the ventral gunner of another SM79, and i did it twice, with another kill with a side gunner, and here is the record

Hmmm... The ventral machine gun of SM.79 is 12,7 mm. Although one of the weakest of its caliber, it is still much more powerful than 7,92 MG of a He-111.
So your missing tracks prove nothing.
The pilots are impervious to 7,62 (7,92) machineguns.
Could you do it with a He-111?

[150GCT_Diego]

Yes i can.

In one of the tracks, the central engine of SM79 catches fire after less than 1 second of fire from the ventral machinegun of an HE111 H2.

In the last two tracks, the pilot or the secodn pilot are killed after not so mutch shooting.
You can clearly see the pilot not jumping away when the plane start diving.

But why missing track? The .Zip file was corrupted or has it not loaded?

[28_Condor]

S!

Originally Posted by Fearfactor

I'm not on the side of the "too tough" whiners but this historical excerpt your are quoting proves nothing except possibly that the I-16 pilots were cowardly or did not know how to properly press an attack against a bomber.

You need good speed, you need speed to exceed the bomberr and to be able to catch it. The I-16 had not this speed.

The republican pilots were not lacking courage: they were fighting against more advanced and more numerous aeroplanes. Resources were lacking, including bullets and fuel.



SP!

[Warhound]

Originally Posted by Tipo_Man

And Lucas, do your test with I-16, or something with 2-4 MGs, as I wrote...

Conveniently happened to read over my post and tracks I assume?
I'll relink it just so u can't miss them this time.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...9&postcount=15

[JG52Uther]

Stop wasting your time with him,he's not listening,just laughing at you all tieing yourselves in knots with proof and tracks!

[28_Condor]

S!

Well, Gladiator rules at last!





I heard about Gladiator shot down SM79 over Malta but I didint believe!

Now I believe

i.e., the plane is not "invencible", just have a very accurate and historically DM!

Thanks very MUch Team Daidalos!

Cheers!

[Fearfactor]

Originally Posted by 28_Condor

S!



You need good speed, you need speed to exceed the bomber and to be able to catch it. The I-16 had not this speed.

The republican pilots were not lacking courage: they were fighting against more advanced and more numerous aeroplanes. Resources were lacking, including bullets and fuel.



SP!

So are you saying then that the speeds of either the I-16, the SM.79 or both are wrong in the game?? Because if the real life I-16 could not catch the SM.79 then why does the I-16 in game catch it easily? All of them from the I-16 type 5 to the type 24 will zip up the the butt of the SM.79 in no time without even trying in the game. Heck, look at the pics the dude posted showing the Gladiator catching the SM.79, which is far slower than any I-16!!

So is this wrong? Should the SM.79 be faster or the I-16 slower? So far nothing you say speaks much except that you are a SM.79 fanboi and are biased.

But yes, I agree with the general consensus that the damage model of the SM.79 as it is currently, is acceptable and not too tough. So I will agree with you on that level.

[ElAurens]

The P 39 D2 will dispatch the SM 79 quite easily.

As will the P38.

The Beaufighter tears it to pieces.

[Voyager]

Originally Posted by Fearfactor

So are you saying then that the speeds of either the I-16, the SM.79 or both are wrong in the game?? Because if the real life I-16 could not catch the SM.79 then why does the I-16 in game catch it easily? All of them from the I-16 type 5 to the type 24 will zip up the the butt of the SM.79 in no time without even trying in the game. Heck, look at the pics the dude posted showing the Gladiator catching the SM.79, which is far slower than any I-16!!

So is this wrong? Should the SM.79 be faster or the I-16 slower? So far nothing you say speaks much except that you are a SM.79 fanboi and are biased.

But yes, I agree with the general consensus that the damage model of the SM.79 as it is currently, is acceptable and not too tough. So I will agree with you on that level.

From the 4.09 patch notes: Max speed listed of the SM.79 is 430km/h at 4000m
From Il-2 Compare, Max Speed of the Gladiator is ~ 410km/h at ~4000m
From the 4.09 patch notes, Max speed of the I-16 5 is 445km/h at 2500m

My guess is the AI SM.79 is just flying in default bomber mode: cruise at 300km/h, and turn occasionally. I suspect if you tried to fly against them in a scramble type mission, you'd have a bad time catching them.

[Insuber]

Porked DM ? I tried to fly a SM.79 against a couple of Hurricanes IIb in Ace mode ... Well they killed quickly my rear gunner and then the rest of the crew, and damaged seriously wings and control surfaces. The only damage they suffered, despite some good shooting of my gunner from dead six at short distance, was a thin fuel trail from one of them. One test does not make a statistic, but it denies a wrong theory.


Regards,
insuber