IL2 and Sound Modding - Page 52

JG52Uther · #**511** 12-13-2007, 10:18 PM

Well we will agree to disagree BC.I posted that as it is relevant to all the 'illegal hacking' arguments that a lot of people are going on about.Nothing to do with cheating.
If cracking the code is 'illegal',then so is using an unofficial no dvd hack.
As Stalkervision said above,some hacks seem more acceptable than others.
If Evgeny wants to lock the thread then he should do so. Some of the things talked about here are obviously uncomfortable to some people.
You will see that non of my posts are abusive,as some others posting here have been, but sometimes some of the misconceptions posted here should be answered.
Is it better to adopt the 'head in the sand' approach that now prevails at the ubi forum and pretend its not happening.

BSS_Sniper · #**512** 12-13-2007, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat

That is faulty logic... and has nothing to do with the hacking that produced the mods... First off my copy of 46 had no securom on it... and it was quite offficial.. I cant speak for anyone else.. but I paid for my copy of 46... Pe-2, PF,AEP and FB.. and IL2 as well for that matter... not only that, I have bought multiple copies of IL2, FB, The GOLD pack and 46 to get others interested in the sim.. so I have no problems with using a No DVD/CD file on the sims that I paid for.

Regardless to what you or anyone else may say.. the no DVD/CD is still not something that would give an unfair advantage to someone over someone who does not have it... and also the whole "Well what about the guys with killer rigs vs Mr. Blo with his bargain basement rig" argument is also another debate and has absolutely nothing to do with the hacking of the sim.

Two totally different things. You all know my feelings on the whole deal so I wont even bother going there.. but that argument is just erroneous and hold absolutely no water whatsoever.

Evengy... I suggest you just lock this thread because this back and forth stuff is going to go on until you do between the most prolific posters in this thread.. There will be no resolution , no one will back down or change their tune and no one will agree to disagree.. they will jjust go back and forth and back and forth until you consider slashing your wrists to make it stop.

Very well said BC.

fly_zo · #**513** 12-14-2007, 12:45 AM

... locking thread will make no difference IMHO , discussion will just be moved to another place ( as where here from Zoo ), and Evgeny has proved himself as moderator so any suggestions to him regarding managing threads i find at least pointless...

Z

Bearcat · #**514** 12-14-2007, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Well we will agree to disagree BC.I posted that as it is relevant to all the 'illegal hacking' arguments that a lot of people are going on about.Nothing to do with cheating.
If cracking the code is 'illegal',then so is using an unofficial no dvd hack.
As Stalkervision said above,some hacks seem more acceptable than others.
If Evgeny wants to lock the thread then he should do so. Some of the things talked about here are obviously uncomfortable to some people.
You will see that non of my posts are abusive,as some others posting here have been, but sometimes some of the misconceptions posted here should be answered.
Is it better to adopt the 'head in the sand' approach that now prevails at the ubi forum and pretend its not happening.

Two different things....The sim did not have to be hacked.. the code did not have to be cracked to make the no CD/DVD file...

Targ · #**515** 12-14-2007, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Well we will agree to disagree BC.I posted that as it is relevant to all the 'illegal hacking' arguments that a lot of people are going on about.Nothing to do with cheating.
If cracking the code is 'illegal',then so is using an unofficial no dvd hack.
As Stalkervision said above,some hacks seem more acceptable than others.
If Evgeny wants to lock the thread then he should do so. Some of the things talked about here are obviously uncomfortable to some people.
You will see that non of my posts are abusive,as some others posting here have been, but sometimes some of the misconceptions posted here should be answered.
Is it better to adopt the 'head in the sand' approach that now prevails at the ubi forum and pretend its not happening.

How wrong you are,
the position at UBI is the same as it is at SimHQ due to the fact that the members at both forums seem to be incapable of discussing this subject in an adult manner. This very thread is proof of that.
How sad that you blame UBI for other peoples actions , Had people acted responsibly than discussing the hack would still be on the table at UBI.

fly_zo · #**516** 12-14-2007, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Targ

How wrong you are,
the position at UBI is the same as it is at SimHQ due to the fact that the members at both forums seem to be incapable of discussing this subject in an adult manner. This very thread is proof of that.
How sad that you blame UBI for other peoples actions , Had people acted responsibly than discussing the hack would still be on the table at UBI.

... yea right.... like thread in mission building ... "my dream about ..." it has been deleted ( not locked ... deleted) and there was no flaming not even arguing ... nothing.

So please don't try to justify moderators witch-hunt on mod mentions down at Ubi -Zoo ....'cos nobody is buying it

And if you Ubi moderators want to do your job properly you would delete /edit just insulting posts and not whole threads.... but that would took too much of your time which you spending ...here .

Bearcat · #**517** 12-14-2007, 07:10 AM

Zo with all respect... you don't know who sees what at UBI and making blanket statements like that don't help..... and Uther... head in the sand approach? LMAO... Boy.. that sounds so familiar to me... the guy who got creamed for trying to NOT do the head in the sand thing....

Look guys.... this isnt UBI.. so if you guys habve beefs with what we do over @ UBI then either PM us over there or open a thread.... over there.. I won't lock it or remove it.. unless of course you start making blanket statements or start to insult all the mods.... but this is not UBI.. and it isn't right to keep this going over here.

JG52Uther · #**518** 12-14-2007, 08:14 AM

Bearcat I actually respect you more than any of the other moderators at the ubi forum,as you are the only one who has publicly posted and tried to heal the rift in the il2 community.Look what happened with that.
You are a member of that 'other' forum,and seem to like some of the stuff being done there.
Another ubi moderator is a member of that forum and actually a financial supporter.Good for him.
Other people are probably members under different names.We all have one thing in common here,and thats a love of the best combat flight sim ever made.
There is a blanket ban on even whispering about the mod/hack at ubi,so there can be no discussion in any way.Even the vaguest hint gets a ban (ask Fabianfred).
I don't have a 'beef' with what you do over at the ubi forum. As the moderators there you can do what you like.Theres no point in starting a thread about it there as,even if BC doesn't delete/lock it,then one of the other mods will.
As you said,this is not the ubi forum,and discussion should be allowed until Evgeny decides otherwise.Thats what a forum is for.

fly_zo · #**519** 12-14-2007, 08:20 AM

fabianfred got banned from Zoo for this "great insult":

"it WILL have the new Slovakia map....plus about 300 new objects (from that map)

maybe one a/c

...but the slovakia map will be the best we've ever had...and probably the best we will ever get......officially that is"

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...3/m/4101061716

so bearcat i know what i'm saying here....

SlipBall · #**520** 12-14-2007, 08:25 AM

Wow, does seem like a over reaction of the mod that banned him