My take on CoD...

[SlipBall]

Like this at 27:24...sounds like tearing but also can hear the rifle ammo explosion's...I have not heard the mod yet, I'm sure its good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Z8itJSSJDX4

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

@Hooves and Bearcat,

I take it you never read the pilot reports of what the machine guns sounded like from their own accounts? I believe the majority said the machine guns were close to the sound of fabric ripping (in many pilot accounts). There's even a video posted in the TF forum taken from live gunfire that almost virtually identically masks the sounds recorded from gun fire.

I think many people forget that not only do you have a 1000+ HP engine with exhaust shorter than my forearm sitting directly in front of you, you also have a helmet that permits you to talk which tries to mask most of this droning sound away in the 1st place. Then you are further masked away by being in an enclosed cockpit.

I'm not a pilot by any means, but I've gotten the opportunity to ride in some authentic warbirds and wear a communication device. If anything, you'd probably be pretty disappointed by what real sounds you actually hear while doing so. If you think the engine, let alone machine guns is going to sound anything like what they would from the outside, or what they were if you were firing a gun with no other environmental sounds, then it's no wonder you have the impression the sounds are pretty bad.

The TF guys weren't going for a machine gun sound like some other sims try to do, they were going for the sound you would actually hear if you were strapped in the plane, canopy closed, with a sound muffling headset worn (such as real life and the pilot reports/recordings suggested).

I gotta chance to ride in a 2 seater P51 and I can tell you the only thing I heard of that merlin was an annoying drone, sounding absolutely nothing like what you would hear as an observer outside the plane.

As far as the modded engine sounds, they are pretty spot on:

Here's a flyby -

Some of the sounds that you mentioned Bliss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--2H9Dj9eMY

[Royraiden]

Originally Posted by bolox

like this???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...4DZU8aFMc&t=39

HAHAHA

[major_setback]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah that is pretty much my take.. but the FFB issue gets me too.. I use a MSFFB2 .. I prefer the stick forces (not the gunshake.. just the control forces..) on a FFB stick.. I think it is better than any spring can ever be.. but it is very iffy in CoD.. for me that is a detractor. Hopefull TF will be able to fix that..

Ohhhh..the stick, the stick!!!

I too use MSFF2.
I was in my element with that stick in IL2 using older versions of Windows where you could use the FF interface and reduce stick tension/forces. I have tried various ways of changing the forces, but have never regained that perfect feeling of flying that I felt with the original IL2 and FB. I felt like an ace. The planes moved as if I was a part of them. Now it is all so mechanical, which is probably the main reason why I can't hit anything anymore, and also explains why I only fly occasionally (previously I flew several hours per day!!).

I still fly '1946' a lot more than SoW. It just feels better.

Unfortunately I'm not flying online at all. I wouldn't even know which mods I should have installed. I'd love to; it just seems too much trouble.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by major_setback

Ohhhh..the stick, the stick!!!

I too use MSFF2.
I was in my element with that stick in IL2 using older versions of Windows where you could use the FF interface and reduce stick tension/forces. I have tried various ways of changing the forces, but have never regained that perfect feeling of flying that I felt with the original IL2 and FB. I felt like an ace. The planes moved as if I was a part of them. Now it is all so mechanical, which is probably the main reason why I can't hit anything anymore, and also explains why I only fly occasionally (previously I flew several hours per day!!).

I still fly '1946' a lot more than SoW. It just feels better.

Unfortunately I'm not flying online at all. I wouldn't even know which mods I should have installed. I'd love to; it just seems too much trouble.

A lot has changed since the orig. CLod release, if you ever get the chance to fly that version you will probably like it...it may be possible using Win 7 "Professional" to set stick as in XP, its a good chance I think
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tuto...-in-windows-7/

[Royraiden]

Originally Posted by major_setback

Ohhhh..the stick, the stick!!!

I too use MSFF2.
I was in my element with that stick in IL2 using older versions of Windows where you could use the FF interface and reduce stick tension/forces. I have tried various ways of changing the forces, but have never regained that perfect feeling of flying that I felt with the original IL2 and FB. I felt like an ace. The planes moved as if I was a part of them. Now it is all so mechanical, which is probably the main reason why I can't hit anything anymore, and also explains why I only fly occasionally (previously I flew several hours per day!!).

I still fly '1946' a lot more than SoW. It just feels better.

Unfortunately I'm not flying online at all. I wouldn't even know which mods I should have installed. I'd love to; it just seems too much trouble.

One of my squadron mates uses that exact joystick.I asked him yesterday how was the FFB in CLOD and he told me it was working perfectly for him.

[JG5_emil]

Originally Posted by major_setback

Ohhhh..the stick, the stick!!!

I too use MSFF2.
I was in my element with that stick in IL2 using older versions of Windows where you could use the FF interface and reduce stick tension/forces. I have tried various ways of changing the forces, but have never regained that perfect feeling of flying that I felt with the original IL2 and FB. I felt like an ace. The planes moved as if I was a part of them. Now it is all so mechanical, which is probably the main reason why I can't hit anything anymore, and also explains why I only fly occasionally (previously I flew several hours per day!!).

I still fly '1946' a lot more than SoW. It just feels better.

Unfortunately I'm not flying online at all. I wouldn't even know which mods I should have installed. I'd love to; it just seems too much trouble.

I can guarantee you will love CLOD if you give it a chance and get over the issues with the MSFFB2. I also had that stick and in the end I got a warthog because of the problems. I'm not sure if there is a fix but it's worth chacing up what Royraiden said.

The perfect feeling of flight in IL2 as you describe it is exactly why I could never go back to flying that sim. It was way too easy I could make high speed deflection shots with ease. What I love about CLOD is the workload, nothing is easy and every kill is earned. The satisfaction of getting your cannon rounds to hit in a B&Z deflection shot is huge where as in IL2 it was expected. I always felt like I was flying on rails in IL2 especially after the FB changes. The aircraft felt too light and I hated seeing aircraft hanging on their props shooting vertically up at you. You wont see much if any of that in CLOD.

Basically the TF Mod is more like a patch than a mod, it's not like IL2 where you need to install tonnes of mods and different packs. One of the other posts I linked the two patches and a youtube video which tells you exactly how to install it. If you follow it to the letter it will work. Alternatively you can go to the ATAG forums and get the mods there.

[major_setback]

Sorry, I should have made it clear that I have the TF patch installed (only the first one at the moment).

I have Force Feedback forces working without a problem in CoD (sorry, I callled it SoW before by mistake). But they don't feel as real to me as in the FB series.

Actually my biggest problem with CoD is my lack of enthusiasm. It just doesn't grab me the way FB/1946 did. I don't know whether the root of that problem lies in me or in the game. I suspect it's a little of both.
I'm still hooked on FB/1946 though, even if I only usually fly quick missions these days.

Luckily the game is still developing; and doubtlessly improving too. It's just not as good as FB yet, in my opinion.

[Flyby]

Bearcat, where are you flyinh CloD? Might be able to meet you soon.
Flyby out