Latest Patch HURRICANES NOT STARTING AGAIN???

[bw_wolverine]

I'll just say this in response:

This is a release candidate patch from devs who have stated very clearly that they are not putting any more priority or time into fixing Cliffs of Dover until the sequel is released (IF a sequel is released). There will be NO MORE fixing after they publish their last patch. THIS patch.

Yes, it's going to be looked at and tested (by us for free btw) and hopefully these issues will be corrected in the final RC patch but...

How many patches have we had where something gets broken every single time? What confidence is there that even when they tweak and tune this RC patch that something ELSE won't break? With this patch it's the Hurricane engines (again).

So in a system where every released patch breaks something or is unfinished how can there ever be a LAST one where suddenly everything works?

We're all just hoping that the RC patch breaks or doesn't fix something we can live with at this point I think. So I think I can understand Catseye's frustration and post here.

This whole saga of Cliffs of Dover is an exercise in frustration for the faithful. It's pushing everyone to breaking point, some more than others.

We'll keep testing and playing this patch release candidate but seriously think about the fact that this was a bug that got FIXED in the last patch and is back again. And then consider that 1C didn't release this patch as another beta to test, they felt it was good enough to release as a release candidate patch. How does THAT make sense? Saying it's a release candidate patch is just inviting people to lose their minds over the bugs. It should have been pushed as another beta.

[Catseye]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Wolverine wrote:

The machines were always started and warmed up by the erks before dawn, so they would be ready to scramble at a moment's notice. Sitting on an airfield in the cockpit waiting for a cold Spitfire or Hurricane to warm up is not authentic. The aircraft, upon starting, should already have been warmed up and ready to roll immediately just as the real Spits and Hurries were.

Hi Snapper,
Interesting observation. This would be a nice option in mission building parameters. Some aircraft warmed up for scramble. Others starting cold for sorties. Interesting.

Cheers

[bw_wolverine]

Bounder and I were discussing the possibility of getting the aircraft spawned in with water temp of 40+ degrees and oil temp of 20+ to start. It would very simply solve the issue and I'm not sure why they've never done it.

As Snapper said, they should be spawning ALL stationary Hurricanes and Spitfires at warmed up temps. 80 degrees on the water and 50 to 60 degrees on the oil so that they can be opened up and flown right away. Pilots were expected to take 3 minutes from sitting in a chair beside the dispersal hut to being in the air. This has so far never been possible to my mind.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Catseye

I have confidence in my own evaluation of how and if aircraft start. I tested them all before posting. It doesn't need a readme to understand startup procedures by us the outside beta team. By now, I'm sure you have realized that it is a serious issue disclosed in caps. Beta patch or not, it is an example of very poor and in fact inadequate quality evaluation before release. ie., they broke what was working before and it should have been caught by the business managers. In fact, since they were trying to "fix" issues around mixture, it seems they didn't even test all paramaters after making changes. Very poor techinical as well as business procedures.

I, like many others are fed up with half-baked results - especially ones like the HURRICANE NOT STARTING AGAIN!

Caps are an indication of recognizing the incompetence of releasing a so called "release Candidate", of a Beta of a Beta ad infinitum. . . . A raised voice of incredulity!

While they may be improving frame-rate and other issues, the release of this candidate with this major flaw is beyond words for those of us who have been with this sim and the original IL2 since the beginning.

I do recognize that all efforts are being made for the next release, and that any improvements to this version are to solidify the engine for that new release and that changes to Cliffs itself is one big final patch to cover issues identified over the past year or so. Perhaps the amount of concentration directed towards Cliffs is so passive that it doesn't warrant closer scrutiny before release?

Again some people miss the whole point of releasing a Beta patch for Testing. If the development had the resources and every computer setup known to man they wouldn't release a BETA patch for the community to test. The devs must roll their eyes is disbelief when someone jumps up and down yelling.... I FOUND A BUG AND I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW STUPID THE DEVS ARE. But then again they already understand the negative side of involving the community when some will never understand the development process. I'm sure the good has outweighed the bad and they will continue to use our resources to help build the series.

Originally Posted by Chivas

Again some people miss the whole point of releasing a Beta patch for Testing. If the development had the resources and every computer setup known to man they wouldn't release a BETA patch for the community to test. The devs must roll their eyes is disbelief when someone jumps up and down yelling.... I FOUND A BUG AND I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW STUPID THE DEVS ARE. But then again they already understand the negative side of involving the community when some will never understand the development process. I'm sure the good has outweighed the bad and they will continue to use our resources to help build the series.

So its just certain PC configurations that are causing the Hurricane not to start, sorry I wasn't aware of that, I apologise.

[Mysticpuma]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Again some people miss the whole point of releasing a Beta patch for Testing. If the development had the resources and every computer setup known to man they wouldn't release a BETA patch for the community to test. The devs must roll their eyes is disbelief when someone jumps up and down yelling.... I FOUND A BUG AND I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW STUPID THE DEVS ARE. But then again they already understand the negative side of involving the community when some will never understand the development process. I'm sure the good has outweighed the bad and they will continue to use our resources to help build the series.

Which is why I urge them to reply to this thread:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=34643

+1 replies appreciated in the above thread. MP

No point in Beta testing and bug reports if they are not even read!

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

Bounder and I were discussing the possibility of getting the aircraft spawned in with water temp of 40+ degrees and oil temp of 20+ to start. It would very simply solve the issue and I'm not sure why they've never done it.

As Snapper said, they should be spawning ALL stationary Hurricanes and Spitfires at warmed up temps. 80 degrees on the water and 50 to 60 degrees on the oil so that they can be opened up and flown right away. Pilots were expected to take 3 minutes from sitting in a chair beside the dispersal hut to being in the air. This has so far never been possible to my mind.

+1 wtf!

Why is this the way for red fighters, I have NEVER got my head round this one. Even when they actually start...

[Force10]

Originally Posted by Chivas

when some will never understand the development process.

I guess I have been thinking of the developement process wrongly then. I was under the impression when you spend a month or two fixing bugs in the code...say fixing a mixture issue...you would then internally test your fixes by jumping in a plane and checking it. If someone had spent 1 hour to just jump in the planes and attempt to start them, they might have noticed a problem.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

So its just certain PC configurations that are causing the Hurricane not to start, sorry I wasn't aware of that, I apologise.

Again you'll twist anyone words to suit your appalling negative agenda. If thats not the case try reading my post again, and note the resource comment in the same sentence.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

Which is why I urge them to reply to this thread:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=34643

+1 replies appreciated in the above thread. MP

No point in Beta testing and bug reports if they are not even read!

Exactly how do you know they aren't reading the test reports.