New German Planes for Sequel

[csThor]

Your wish is quite out of question. Given the workload of a single aircraft more than a year at a time (if that much at all) is not going to happen.

[pencon]

Some of us arent as to the minute in historical detail, and still think they should at least advance to the point of including the Fw190. I realize this is a sim but its a flight sim , not a history lesson . Who's to say they can only handle one year at a time? When I fly 1946 it's almost always the FW ,and yes I love me some 108 cannons! The 190 doesnt turn as well though so its a trade off. I also fly crap planes as well with peashooter guns (Macchi 200) so dont go getting all snobby on me .This sim should be fun as well as historical and going with too small of a selection is going to turn off many potential buyers .I'd rather they finish the sim right to 1945 , that way they can do the korean sim after that ( while we're still all here)

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by rga

I'm looking forward to seeing the Eins Zwei Drei (Hs 123) in action.

OT: why do you all think that the Fokker will be again the best fighter in the sky in game? I mean it was indeed a superb fighter, but it did not automatically own every opponents it met in 1943. CEM plays a very importal role in CloD, much more than in IL-2, and before you tell me about the Kommandogerät, I believe it was not perfect and sometimes manually adjusting gave better performance (at cost of work load though).
I know I have opened the can of worms, so let keep talking about the Doppeldecker, OK

Actually, it's because of the CEM that the 190 will work well in the new sim, not only in the eastern front scenarios but later theaters as well.

In Il2, the aircraft with the best aerodynamics and highest HP for a chosen altitude band would usually win.

In reality, a flight of P-38s was once bounced at high altitude by Fw-190As (the same Antons that had trouble up high because of their engines being insufficiently boosted at the altitudes bombers would operate at).

The 190s being fully automatic, all they had to do was point and shoot. The P-38 pilots were so busy going from cruise to combat power settings that 6 of them got shot down.

As an eastern front example, the La-5 was also a handful. I read once that the pilot had to manipulate 6 separate controls just to accelerate from cruise to combat power.

As for how close to specs the automatic system performed, it's not really a big factor in performance when you consider that most of this technology already existed in one form or another. I mean ok, it might not always work 100% correctly with super-precise mixture adjustments and supercharger gear switching, but it certainly can't be worse than what the 109E-4 had in 1940. At the very least it will be about equal in operation (ie, the pilot still only has to worry about throttle), but with more speed and four cannons

Radial engines are great, reliable and powerful, but there's a reason pilots of the time preferred to boom and zoom than mix it up in dogfights: too much workload, which forces you to keep your head in the cockpit and not outside looking for threats.

We now have this kind of complexity modeled in the sim and if we get late war USAF aircraft, things are even more complicated. A P-47 for example has the following engine controls:

Mixture
Prop pitch
Throttle
Turbocharger
Cowl flaps
Intercooler
Oil cooler (i think these can be set to automatic thankfully)

and in a standard boom and zoom attack (dive, then climb) of more than 5000ft you have to adjust almost all of them due to the changes in speed (and hence airflow/cooling) and ambient temperature changes (lower is hotter, higher is colder), not to mention the case of going through a cloud (incorrect intercooler settings=carb icing).

It's going to be really interesting, because it will really take skills to use all that power the late war birds have. I'm really looking forward to it and in fact, if something can get me out of the 190s and into an allied warbird in late war scenarios, it will be the challenge of doing CEM correctly in them.

Back on topic however, i'd love to see a 190 but i agree it was too late to see action in Moscow. However, it makes sense as an add-on to our BoB map. If we get 109Fs for BoM, maybe we could also get 190s and Spit Mk.Vs and then use all three types to simulate the channel front fights of 1942


EDIT: Even more back on topic.

What i expect to see in BoM is the range of main VVS planes involved. Early Yaks, I-16, I-153, Mig-3, IL-2 for example. It will be a blast flying IL-2s or I-153s down low with the new graphics and improved sense of speed and ambiance in the environment. Dodging flak in flimsy biplanes and firing rockets over the snow will be a blast. I'm up for Po-2 as well, imagine bombing at night while flying a Tiger Moth to get an idea of how we'll use it

Then, for the blue side, apart from the fighters (mostly late Emils and early 109Fs), i too would love me some Hs-123 action. But most of all, i'm itching to see some Ju88 variants. I have a thing for the multi-role twins of WWII and that's why i love the 88 and the Mosquito.

[JG52Krupi]

yeah, I really want to see what MG does with the 190 engine management unit , should be good fun, just as long as the BAR does not come back again

[kendo65]

Have to say that you are excelling yourself with some of these posts Blackdog. The intellectual level of the forum has increased by around 300% in the last few days.

Welcome back!

Have you been taking writing lessons - your posts don't seem as ...well...heavy going as they could sometimes be in the past
Always have to mess up a compliment

[Blackdog_kt]

Hahaha, no mate, i just have less time now so my writing is condensed
Thanks for the kinds words though

[Al Schlageter]

Lw OoB for Barbarossa

http://sturmvogel.orbat.com/Balkan.html#Barb (scroll down a bit)

[csThor]

Originally Posted by pencon

Some of us arent as to the minute in historical detail, and still think they should at least advance to the point of including the Fw190. I realize this is a sim but its a flight sim , not a history lesson . Who's to say they can only handle one year at a time? When I fly 1946 it's almost always the FW ,and yes I love me some 108 cannons! The 190 doesnt turn as well though so its a trade off. I also fly crap planes as well with peashooter guns (Macchi 200) so dont go getting all snobby on me .This sim should be fun as well as historical and going with too small of a selection is going to turn off many potential buyers .I'd rather they finish the sim right to 1945 , that way they can do the korean sim after that ( while we're still all here)

Quite honestly: If Maddox Games estimates a 6-month-per-man timeframe for a single cockpit position then it should be obvious why any larger timeframes are quite unrealistic. If we look at the number of aircraft, tanks, lorries, artillery guns, AA guns and any other 3D objects involved in the BoM alone then that already is a whole sh*tload of them to do. Advancing into late 1942 (in the case of the Fw 190) would easily triple the object and plane pool.

I'm not snobby about it, I'm just being realistic. Remember the state CloD is in right now? And that is with a much smaller plane and object pool. I'd rather have a working BoM than another unfinished piece of software with considerable teething problems.

[Richie]

Who had that photobucket site of all the Storm Of War Cliffs Of Dover screenshots? He kept every one that was put up and put it up on his photobucket site. The pics went right back to the beginning of Storm Of War.

[Richie]

Found it. It's a really great resource for looking back on things.


http://s58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...cpZZ1QQtppZZ24