Vulcan to the Skies

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Yeah....of course you did.......what an ex Vulcan pilot stole your girlfriend?.....you were standing in the middle of Port Stanleys runway in 82?......some of the restoration crew mugged you and emptied your wallet?

taking the conversation a notch up uh Bongo?

Truth is that some people are so selfish they don't care how a plane gets back to the air, as long as it does.
That has little to do with the spirit of aviation restoration, if you can't see the difference then you can't really appreciate the real value of aircraft restoration in general.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Like I said....if it offends you that the Stirling is under represented then start your own charity to build a whole one.....you know.....just like a certain group of Vulcan enthusiasts.

it was just an example man.

I guess you need to meet more pilots......I have met plenty that hated some of the aircraft they flew

you know exactly what I meant. It's not like you love all the planes you fly with, but if your career highlight was with that batwing of a plane, of course you're gonna have fond memories of it. I have to admit I found its cabin a bit claustrophobic, but then again that's me..

Who says it's all about glory, it mostly represents a time when the UK had the capability....you know.....like the same reason we have the HMS Victory, if it is in bad taste to represent something that has a shady past then I'd suggest taking a disk cutter to every Luftwaffe machine in existense.......non?

Yeah, there's always this dusting off of the past glories, it recollects with what we were saying some time ago with Bewolf: you cling onto the past and can't let go. The Vulcan is a minor chapter of history, do we really need to pump 4 and a half million pounds in it, then ask for more? It's not like it's gonna get cheaper to run in the future, can you really justify such an expense to keep that thing airworthy?

every aircraft flying in the world is being kept aloft by money........what option do they have?

that is a lot of money to keep one aircraft airborne.

You mean like the £25,000 donation that your own linked Stirling restoration mentions? I clearly have a better grasp of things than you credit me

Oh yeah, I'm sure it compares well with the millions that went into the Vulcan

Interesting......it was a very different story for the Air Atlantique DC 3's and 6's, but I guess it's because they are not German, and just for your info I used to work for Air Atlantique.

Well, as you know the Germans know how to do things properly, it's only wars they can't quite get their heads around

Bovine excrement......it's all a hobby, the entertainment is for the airshow public in the UK (who are the ones paying the money you resent).....Vulcan plc.....please!!!

nope, it's a job. Check out their website, the amount of sponsors, the online shopping links, and they still beg for money.. it's like trying to patch up the Titanic breech with a plaster..

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

taking the conversation a notch up uh Bongo?

Truth is that some people are so selfish they don't care how a plane gets back to the air, as long as it does.
That has little to do with the spirit of aviation restoration, if you can't see the difference then you can't really appreciate the real value of aircraft restoration in general.

Not really.......I just found your statement too cryptic.....mind elaborating on what you find so shady?

When you are looking to raise that much cash then you need to do a bit more than pass a hat around don't you think?

it was just an example man.

Yes....it was your example of something else you wouild rather see happening.....your point?

you know exactly what I meant. It's not like you love all the planes you fly with, but if your career highlight was with that batwing of a plane, of course you're gonna have fond memories of it. I have to admit I found its cabin a bit claustrophobic, but then again that's me..

At least one of the Vulcan pilots I met had time in Lightnings......still loved the Vulcan, I do know what you mean and you have back pedaled on it somewhat, like alot of your contributions they are 'just you' and not taking into account anybody else, you are entitled to feel any way you want like I am entitled to tell you you are wrong

Yeah, there's always this dusting off of the past glories, it recollects with what we were saying some time ago with Bewolf: you cling onto the past and can't let go. The Vulcan is a minor chapter of history, do we really need to pump 4 and a half million pounds in it, then ask for more? It's not like it's gonna get cheaper to run in the future, can you really justify such an expense to keep that thing airworthy?

This old crap again....it's OUR history, we will signify it anyway we wish to, we don't ask to put the HMS Victory in the centre of Paris, we don't ask to fly the Vulcan over moscow, these are in the UK for the people of the UK to enjoy at their leisure, you are obviously pumping nothing into it so you have ZERO entitlement to complain about the money, the money comes from WILLING donors and some enterprising merchandising (targeted towards the nostalgic and patriotic BRITISH public)

that is a lot of money to keep one aircraft airborne.

it would cost just about the same to keep the 'half french' one in the air

Oh yeah, I'm sure it compares well with the millions that went into the Vulcan

for the people that are actually paying the money I dare say yes..

Well, as you know the Germans know how to do things properly, it's only wars they can't quite get their heads around

Yes like making EASA apply the restriction to aircraft with over 19 seats to ensure the JU52 is exempt.

nope, it's a job. Check out their website, the amount of sponsors, the online shopping links, and they still beg for money.. it's like trying to patch up the Titanic breech with a plaster..

theres nothing criminal or immoral about sponsorship and merchandising, it's how almost everything works these days and thats before they take the publics money, it's no more pointless than a football club.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Yeah, there's always this dusting off of the past glories, it recollects with what we were saying some time ago with Bewolf: you cling onto the past and can't let go. The Vulcan is a minor chapter of history, do we really need to pump 4 and a half million pounds in it, then ask for more? It's not like it's gonna get cheaper to run in the future, can you really justify such an expense to keep that thing airworthy?

If you bring me into this, though I agree to your general opinion of the british (very generalizing, sorry) being too much on the history side of things making them somewhat blind to current realities, I do not think going to the other side of the extremes is much healthier. You still need to know where you come from to decide where to go next.

And in regards to money, I rather see ppl coming together investing in such a project for personal fascination and open display then another hundret millions yacht by some rich schmock just to have another status symbol.

[bongodriver]

Everyone has their faults.......glass houses.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Everyone has their faults.......glass houses.

You might want to reconsider your project to build a glass house. It's not worth the cost, and you'll have to invest even more money in curtains once it's done.

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

And in regards to money, I rather see ppl coming together investing in such a project for personal fascination and open display then another hundret millions yacht by some rich schmock just to have another status symbol.

Wolf you just show us the way to solve this ongoing conflict : use that big batwing has a conversion of an expensive useless yacht into a green sailer (it's already painted in the right colors)

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

You might want to reconsider your project to build a glass house. It's not worth the cost, and you'll have to invest even more money in curtains once it's done.

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Originally Posted by bongodriver

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I was overreacting to your comment about living in glass houses.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Wolf you just show us the way to solve this ongoing conflict : use that big batwing has a conversion of an expensive useless yacht into a green sailer (it's already painted in the right colors)

TomCat, I do not think I really understood what you want to say here =)