New docs on Pearl Harbor attack emerge

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by BadAim

I find it amusing that no one in Europe (at least as far as this thread is concerned) seems to think that perhaps some people in the States might have had a positive motive for wanting to get involved in WWII. I dunno, like perhaps saving your asses?

No, that's not possible. My bad.

lol I was kinda waiting for a post along these lines it's not to the point though, I wonder whether the cause of American entry to war was not that infamous unexpected attack or there was a hidden agenda running..

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by swiss

Must be the same positive motives that made them invade Iraq and Afghanistan and also bomb Libya.
Makes me wonder what's wrong with Syria, those ppl could use some help too, don't you think?

swiss, as much as I see your point, let's try not to turn this into a political thing.

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by swiss

Makes me wonder what's wrong with Syria, those ppl could use some help too, don't you think?

The geographical location of Syria makes this a very dangerous place to try a Lybia type solution.
Plus, there's a Russian aircraft carrier in Sirian waters making sure nothing happens.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

The geographical location of Syria makes this a very dangerous place to try a Lybia type solution.
Plus, there's a Russian aircraft carrier in Sirian waters making sure nothing happens.

1. I do not understand the part with the geographical location.
2. The Kuznetsov is supposed to arrive in spring 2012, somewhen.
Right now it's somewhere in the Baltic sea, the Syria stop is just pick up supplies. It will also visit Genua, Cyprus, Beirut etc.

3. to Sternjäger: Noted. I'll try.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by swiss

1. I do not understand the part with the geographical location.
2. The Kuznetsov is supposed to arrive in spring 2012, somewhen.
Right now it's somewhere in the Baltic sea, the Syria stop is just pick up supplies. It will also visit Genua, Cyprus, Beirut etc.

3. to Sternjäger: Noted. I'll try.

Lol, hes got a point

On that note is the Pak t-50 carrier based?

[ElAurens]

And what exactly does all this talk of the current situation in the Mid East have to do with events that happened 70 years ago tomorrow?

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

And what exactly does all this talk of the current situation in the Mid East have to do with events that happened 70 years ago tomorrow?

Not a lot

T-50..Raptor killer thats all im saying on the matter

[swiss]

Sharing love and having pure positive motives?

There are people in desperate need of the above, just like 70yrs ago.

T-50..Raptor killer thats all im saying on the matter

No Sir.
They only have some Mig29-K, made for India, undergoing sea trials, on board.
The carries will undergo some mods in the end of 2012, if the Ruskies indeed decide to manufacture a carrier version of T50, it could be a real future troublemaker.

[ElAurens]

OK, I'll play along...

The Russian Navy, if it is ever committed to a real conflict, will have a heroic, but painfully short, campaign.

I can sum it up pretty succinctly in one word...

Toast.

If they are foolish enough to engage the NATO navies in the open Atlantic they might last a week. If they are even more foolish and try to engage in the Med, 2 days, as they will be at the mercy of a navy's worst nightmare... Land based aircraft.

Just how many aircraft does the Kuznetsov embark? I'll tell you... Not enough.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

OK, I'll play along...

The Russian Navy, if it is ever committed to a real conflict, will have a heroic, but painfully short, campaign.

I can sum it up pretty succinctly in one word...

Toast.

Voilà.
That's what said. No reason to not intervene.
Why is it then, they hesitate?