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05-31-2011, 05:24 PM
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What some complain about is how i spent all my years with IL2, getting bounced by faster aircraft that can fly higher and being unable to follow them. Well, guess what, it's still possible to score kills against them and i'm far from a hotshot, ace or something similar. Think, apply some geometry and plan ahead, instead of relying on performance alone. 
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#43
05-31-2011, 08:12 PM
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The Spit needs the Constant Speed Prop! It was available during the BoB and fitted for several Squadrons. EDIT: And it needs 100 Octane.
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#44
06-02-2011, 10:50 PM
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Ok guys why don't you accept that early war planes had used... early technologies.
I know I miss too my own board radar, my HUD and Helmet sight system but... CoD provide us with a unique sim depicting a very narrow windows of history where the line of history where written in bloods by a bunch of flyers. What else Flying Sim fan shld ask more ? Can't ppl stop crying after their lost ego (IL2 Ninja's) and accept the true balance of weapons. If you hve some mental difficulties flying a two prop fighters or a plane that can only dominate its opponents by a very narrow margin after builing a Tac advantage, pls feel free to join the other side of the channel where lies the so called über. I wld gladly fly your left hurry and Spit up to the glorious skies. We alrdy hve lost a representative pitch setting on the 109 due to cte red whining. What 's lyes now ahead... ? i am begging devs not to fall in the RoF syndrome : hold down the mast - don't give ears to the siren's singing ! Last edited by TomcatViP; 06-03-2011 at 12:24 PM.
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#45
06-02-2011, 11:52 PM
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The Spit MkIs in the BoB had a CSP, model it! The Hurricane was not faster than the Spit IRL, model it! The 109's prop pitch was faster, model it! Also, your attack against RoF is totally untrue and uncalled for.
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#46
06-03-2011, 09:19 AM
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LoL RoF FM models are disastrous.
I was a Fan as it went on stage even ordering it at high price abroad to get it as soon as it was available. Early FM were so good it was a real pleasure to fight... And then came the squads with their radio ctrld fight (RoF devs took so much time modeling pilot hand signs but they don't care : they jus want to play their own way). Soon we started to see new british planes beeing added such Se5 or Camels with their perfs à la IL2's Spitfire that can accelerate like a rocket or output E like a Japanese nuclear reactor (well they are all the same  ). I stopped playing the thing when I was chased by an entire squad of SE5 perfectly coordinated following my moves .... in a thick clouds ! And I know those guys. Now RoF is back packed on the shelf aside WoP : a 120€ waste of money  That's what lies ahead here. I can see it like a spit in my visor  .By the way when ppl are battling to get a marginal plane modeled with marginal fuel to fight a series representative E3..... I call this red whining. If you were fighting to get out the bomb racks of the 109 or asked for less range (this engine is not a Mercedes design - it came out of a Toyota Prius !) I wld hve been on your side. Last edited by TomcatViP; 06-03-2011 at 12:45 PM.
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#47
06-03-2011, 05:38 PM
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Always in theme prop, the order come from Jun 9, 1940 to change for a constant speed props in all Spitfires and Hurricanes. The works was supervised by the Havilland experts in each airfield and by Aug 15 1940, 1050 props were fitted.
Before this date, 54th Sqd had operated at Hornchurch as early Dec 1939 with Spitfires equipped with constant speed props. Last edited by Danelov; 06-03-2011 at 05:52 PM.
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#48
06-04-2011, 05:12 AM
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Get a few history books, the SE5 was a superb overall plane in climb, speed and very rugged and manouverable at high speeds. While the Camel is too fast in game currently, this is being worked on AFAIK.
AI following through clouds is not only an issue on RoF, you will see that in IL2, CloD, or virtually any other flight-sim out there. When a Spitfire is slower than the Hurricane and the 109's prop pitch is so slow, that I can have dinner, light a cigarette and go out with my girlfriend until it is from coarse to fine, then something's wrong. The same thing goes for Jabo 109s that happily outclimb and -run Spits with their bombs still attached. The same history thing goes for CloD: The later 109 E models had only a marginal (if any) performance superiority over the BoB Spitfires. Not what we're seeing in game currently. There's a reason why 109 E pilots were advised to work with their wingmen when taking on Spitfires. I am glad though that Luthier announced the FM fixes in his recent posts, maybe it's time for you to shelve CloD then as well. I don't think you will like what you will see: history.
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06-04-2011, 08:10 AM
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06-04-2011, 09:14 AM
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So what exactly are you referring to? The SE5 modeled in RoF is the version with the 200hp Viper engine, nothing wrong with that. It does exactly what it should. Even the early SE5 versions where (marginally) faster than any Alb D.xx series fighter and had no trouble outclimbing them.
The same goes for the Camel, other than the topspeed, there's nothing wrong with it. Especially when you take a bit of fuel up to altitude. Everything except the topspeed matches historical references and data. The E retention issues you experienced are a problem with people gaming the game, nothing wrong with the sim. It's just the same as in IL2 with people flying around on bingo fuel to gain an advantage. The same goes for the clouds, what do you excpect them to be? White walls? FYI they are not made of concrete but of water. Things don't just vanish in them you know. In comparison to RoF, as much as I hate to say it, clouds in CloD look like they came directly out of the stone age. Then again, you're implying that the Hurricane was faster as the Spit or that the 109s PP was that slow? Seriously, you must be kidding. As I said, there's no red whining involved, but you can be damn sure that people interested in simulations will do everything they can to get the devs to fix it to historical data, not to someone's personal likings. That goes for both sides of the fence.
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