Historical HakenKreuz

[ATAG_Dutch]

Correct. Churchill actually pronounced it 'Nahzzees' as in 'Hitler's Nahzzees'.

With an English Z pronunciation rather than the German 'ts'.

[Rocka]

Originally Posted by DoolittleRaider

Historische hakenkreuz.... Better?

/applaud for you sir for the ability to use google translate!

And yes that is better.

Still it is kinda funny that some grumpy old guys in here goes rambling all over the place while trying to defend their right to use these Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei markings (i wonder why people use the short term Nazi, when they can write that peerlessly "short" sentence), when the majority of the threads in this forum is about how to even get the game running on their computers.

But I guess the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei markings is THAT important.

[DoolittleRaider]

Originally Posted by Rocka

/applaud for you sir for the ability to use google translate!
...

I don't know whether you are being offensive intentionally or not. In either event, I seldom use Google Translate.

I do, however, use certain translation apps and web sites for extensive translations or unusual words/phrases...and certainly for less commonly encountered languages.

Just for the record, though I may be rusty in some, I do speak/write/understand German, Russian, Japanese, Chinese (Mandarin),Spanish, some Italian, some Thai (speak, but not read).

...and...I don't consider myself a grumpy old man.

[Jg2001_Rasputin]

Originally Posted by DoolittleRaider

I would be interested to know from any German 1C community member with relatives who lived in Germany in the 30's and 40's if the term "Na-ti" (Nazi) was used widely, or used at all, by Germans.

Nazi Look up Nazi at Dictionary.com
1930, from Ger. Nazi, abbreviation of German pronunciation of Nationalsozialist (based on earlier Ger. sozi, popular abbreviaton of "socialist"), from Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei "National Socialist German Workers' Party," led by Hitler from 1920. The 24th edition of Etymologisches Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache (2002) says the word Nazi was favored in southern Germany (supposedly from c.1924) among opponents of National Socialism because the nickname Nazi (from the masc. proper name Ignatz, German form of Ignatius) was used colloquially to mean "a foolish person, clumsy or awkward person." Ignatz was a popular name in Catholic Austria, and according to one source in WWI Nazi was a generic name in the German Empire for the soldiers of Austria-Hungary. An older use of Nazi for national-sozial is attested in German from 1903, but EWdS does not think it contributed to the word as applied to Hitler and his followers. The NSDAP for a time attempted to adopt the Nazi designation as what the Germans call a "despite-word," but they gave this up, and the NSDAP is said to have generally avoided the term. Before 1930, party members had been called in English National Socialists, which dates from 1923. The use of Nazi Germany, Nazi regime, etc., was popularized by German exiles abroad. From them, it spread into other languages, and eventually was brought back to Germany, after the war. In the USSR, the terms national socialist and Nazi were said to have been forbidden after 1932, presumably to avoid any taint to the good word socialist. Soviet literature refers to fascists.

Source: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Nazi

[Pluto]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Why not, there are the markings from

Benzino Napoloni already in the game.

... great movie, like it a lot, watched it many times!

[Pluto]

.... swastikas on german planes or on medals like the iron cross is a must!
Thats how they looked at the time!

Apart from Germans, noone has to bother about legal conflicts anyway.
Only german governments are so psychotic about that subject.

Besides, governments should fear their population, not the other way around!


....(but that is just my opinion,....)

[Bobb4]

Not going to argue the merits of this one way or another.
Just want to point out that Cliffs of Dover is not VAC protected.
If it was then a Vac logo would have to be displayed and a clear warning as well.
Cannot ban someone for something you have not warned him not to do...
Basically the law in most countries
As stated no VAC notice, means no ban

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by DoolittleRaider

Nazi is an abbreviated short term for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (“National Socialist German Workers’ Party”). It is not an acronym; it is a phonetic spelling of the pronunciation of the first two 'syllables':Na-Ti

This short term, Nazi, is and was used more often in English rather than in German, in which the acronym NSDAP was used.

I would be interested to know from any German 1C community member with relatives who lived in Germany in the 30's and 40's if the term "Na-ti" (Nazi) was used widely, or used at all, by Germans.


Nazi Swastika is "English"
NSDAP Hakenkreuz is German

I am from Germany, and my grandfather fought on the German side in WWII but I never heard of the term "Na-ti" where did you get that from? The term "Nazi" was used also in Germany but more as a insult, for those trying to be 150% like the NSDAP wanted.

[DoolittleRaider]

Phonetically, the pronunciation of the first two syllables, Na and ti, would not be Nah-Tee, but rather Nah-Tseh or Nah-Tsee

You can hear it here (be patient, it might take a LONG time to load):
http://tts.imtranslator.net/Fp5I
or http://tts.imtranslator.net/Fp4s

Hence: Nazi (phonetically Nah-Tsee)

[Extreme_One]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

Not going to argue the merits of this one way or another.
Just want to point out that Cliffs of Dover is not VAC protected.
If it was then a Vac logo would have to be displayed and a clear warning as well.
Cannot ban someone for something you have not warned him not to do...
Basically the law in most countries
As stated no VAC notice, means no ban

Are you sure about that?

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