More realistic machine gun tracers?

[ChrisDNT]

No, again, tracers do not look so tall and dense in real life (1).

But again, this could be solved easily by a setting in the game setup, letting the user choose the transparency of the tracer.


(1) best tracers I've seen until now are those of the latest "tracers" mod in IL2.

Originally Posted by ChrisDNT

No, again, tracers do not look so tall and dense in real life (1).

But again, this could be solved easily by a setting in the game setup, letting the user choose the transparency of the tracer.


(1) best tracers I've seen until now are those of the latest "tracers" mod in IL2.

you need to prove what you say, otherwise it's just another fart in the forum..

[ChrisDNT]

All my military service on this (1) :

http://www.loutan.net/olivier/archiv.../11/12/dca-54/

Never seen a single laser !


(1) canon built in 1954, but just basically an improved WWII design.

[ChrisDNT]

Not exactly the same type, but that was basically what I saw when firing on the Oe54 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOxAA...eature=related

[ChrisDNT]

Same experience when looking at Oe35 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml7Ie...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xUaS...eature=related

No lasers !

Perhaps some kind of "ray of light" near the tube, but extremely rapide and very transparent, certainly not solid "Star Wars" lasers. And in the distance, tracers looks like some kind of irregular dots.

[t4trouble]

Some good colour footage and 2 lucky fishermen 4mins in

[Strike]

Originally Posted by ChrisDNT

Same experience when looking at Oe35

No lasers !

Perhaps some kind of "ray of light" near the tube, but extremely rapide and very transparent, certainly not solid "Star Wars" lasers. And in the distance, tracers looks like some kind of irregular dots.

Would it be safe to consider that radar-guided AA guns don't have the same requirement for visual aiming aid as a manually aimed gun? I mean honestly, tracers are seriously un-tactical considering that they are a very visible give-away to any aircraft looking for action.

What I am saying is that tracers are a means of helping you aim, and if a gun is radar-guided there's not really a need for tracers unless you have to use the gun in "back-up" mode.

Also one can only assume that different manufacturers make different tracers with different burnlengths, colours and strength. So why is this Oerlikon footage "evidence" ?

And isn't this the same Oerlikon 35 millimeter gun you so kindly provided us footage of?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La9pk...800DADC3BB4E03

And then you have the allmighty Bofors (hats off for the swedes, though they are pacifists :p )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h_zgA7-sQg

These tracer rounds seem to produce more light than conventional lightbulbs :p

I'm just saying the tracers in IL-2 CoD seem fine. And yes I've unloaded mag upon mag with only tracer rounds and I know what they look like. Night and day.

Originally Posted by ChrisDNT

Same experience when looking at Oe35 :

No lasers !

Perhaps some kind of "ray of light" near the tube, but extremely rapide and very transparent, certainly not solid "Star Wars" lasers. And in the distance, tracers looks like some kind of irregular dots.

Chris I served in the Army and shot with both M2 50cal and MG42 (although in 7,62 NATO ammo). We used tracers regularly and the ones in CoD are by far the most realistic I've ever seen in a game. You're posting videos of cannons that are not using tracers or whose ammunition muzzle speed is way too fast.

As that is not enough, there's been an extensive research on the subject, the conclusion is that 1) you're wrong 2) we're right. Have a look at the fantastic video on the Wellington posted on the main page to have an idea of how realistic it all looks.

Now you can either accept this and go back to your closet or put your head in a pan, smack it with a spoon and go NANANANANANANANANANA!!!

...whichever your option, don't forget you're wrong.

[choctaw111]

Originally Posted by ChrisDNT

All my military service on this (1) :

http://www.loutan.net/olivier/archiv.../11/12/dca-54/

Never seen a single laser !


(1) canon built in 1954, but just basically an improved WWII design.

I was looking at the 5th photo in your 20mm cannon link.
The tracer looks like a laser to me
Seriously though, we don't know the exposure time of the camera, ambient light conditions, etc.
All in all the Cliffs of Dover tracers (except being a bit "fat") are the best representation I have seen.

[Daniël]

Originally Posted by Strike

Would it be safe to consider that radar-guided AA guns don't have the same requirement for visual aiming aid as a manually aimed gun? I mean honestly, tracers are seriously un-tactical considering that they are a very visible give-away to any aircraft looking for action.

What I am saying is that tracers are a means of helping you aim, and if a gun is radar-guided there's not really a need for tracers unless you have to use the gun in "back-up" mode.

Also one can only assume that different manufacturers make different tracers with different burnlengths, colours and strength. So why is this Oerlikon footage "evidence" ?

And isn't this the same Oerlikon 35 millimeter gun you so kindly provided us footage of?

And then you have the allmighty Bofors (hats off for the swedes, though they are pacifists :p )

These tracer rounds seem to produce more light than conventional lightbulbs :p

I'm just saying the tracers in IL-2 CoD seem fine. And yes I've unloaded mag upon mag with only tracer rounds and I know what they look like. Night and day.

Second video: It's clearly visible that when the camera shakes the tracer appears wobbly. When the camera isn't shaking it's a laser. Most clear video to show this.