Olegs worst competitors (?) - Microsoft Flight have released new screens...

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Originally Posted by Katana1000S

As has been said before MS have always shown screenshot's of their forthcoming sim that are nowhere to be seen in the finished version, only they could get away with this

Remember the image they claimed was from their DX10 version of FSX, it turned out to be an artists interpretation, but it was claimed at the time as the real deal and how it was necessary to buy the then new Vista to enjoy DX10 like this ... fool me once shame on me, fool me twice ... we all know the drill

Their dodgy practises made the Inquirer ...

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...eading-picture

Judge for yourself ...

The Inq has been my favorite site for many years They must have loved this "open goal" groin kick at "the vole"...

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Katana1000S

This is very true, I'm not even sure why this thread exists RE competition between MS Flight and CoD? its like comparing Apples and Oranges.

Despite the MS FS series bad points I'll buy the new one too and CoD, just the same as I bought RoF, Black Shark, Flaming Cliffs 2 as well, most of us are more than one trick pony's

I will buy it too, like I bought RoF, BoB II and all the games released by ED - but Oleg has hinted many times that "he don't want to show all his cards" due to the competitors. It may be that he thinks of a WWII follow up to RoF but as it is now "Flight" has a release date of Q1 2011 and what other major titles in this genre has that? DCS A-10 probably, but they will never compete about selling 800.000 copies like IL2 has (?). FSX has sold a lot more, but they are the only ones in the same league. So is there really any real competitor accept "Flight" if Oleg is aiming at selling more copies of CoD than IL2? For sure CoD is a high fidelity combat simulator and "Flight" is a flight procedure or "tourist" simulator...

Most of the couple of thousand die hard simmers here buy all of the few sims that gets released these days anyway (and yes, we will buy Flight too). The competition I talk about is the fight for the 20-50 year old man on the street who had an RC-plane when he was young, maybe dreamed of becoming a fighter pilot after seeing "Top Gun" at high school but became an accountant and sees a stand of DVD:s with an aircraft on the cover while his son is looking at PS3 games at the local GameStop store... We will never see them here or on Hyperlobby though, which goes for the majority of those 800.000 buyers of IL2 too.

EDIT: Another thing, Oleg has talked a lot these days about how to open the sim for third party and modders - reaching out a bit to the industry around FSX that was left in the cold when Aces got axed. So when Ilya says there is an upcoming expansion "that will rise many eyebrows" - how about a civilian sim as Korea is expected and the Med or Eastern front would not get much money back on a bet? Maybe with initial focus on north western Europe at first? Not really serious about this myself - but it sure would rise a number of bushy eyebrows here and over in Redmond

[Il2Pongo]

Originally Posted by maclean525

OK, so there are two possibilities here. Either everyone posting in this thread that IL-2 looks better are being paid to say it by Steve Jobs or they are legally blind. These screen shots look wonderful, what's the issue?

Or you like grossly exaggerated streams and rivers. Look at any of those 4 pictures, particularly number 4.
The result to me is one that is unrealistic and unappealing.
You love it I guess, maybe you have never flown over such terrain so as to know its not even close.

The only real competition I can see is if Microsoft somehow was able to keep Combat Flight Simulator 4* a secret and release it a month before COD with a huge amount of publicity and media attention and plaster every store that still sells PC games with their boxes and offer it with a 25% off coupon for a newly released MS FFBIII joystick, and also it's only $20 and covers not only the Battle of Britain, but another 2-3 theaters as well and comes with the SDK for no extra charge. Also the game can give perform fellatio on you like a pro.

That might hurt COD a bit!

That might get a few of the casual "on the fence" people to buy that and then skip COD. BUT! If this game is going to turn out how I think it is, every review that would come for CFS4 would also mention how it pales in comparison to COD and how it drags it's teeth a little too much.

*hopefully does not exist

[TeeJay82]

The only thing that gives oleg some competition are the A2A payware planes for FSX (WOP3 series) with accusim

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Install Silverlight, No thanks

No Silverlight for me either, thank you

Wow the level of paranoia for something that is basically the same a Adobe's offering ... never ceases to amaze me.

Anyhoo ... FSX / Flight and CoD are chalk and cheese, no point comparing them at all. They both have their own target audience.

I for one like blowing #$%@ up and shooting #$%@ down. But there are some things FSX does do better than IL-2.

With FSX you have larger maps, you can fly around the globe and don't forget the one big winner in my eyes is that MS provides the SDK, which gave the sim community the ability to mod/add to the sim.

Now you should all know by now that modding a sim extends it's life and maintains the support base. Look at Falcon 4 as another example.

Oleg knows this and has stated many times that he wants the same for CoD

I agree with swiss, the terrain textures and 2D trees in FSX suck, but overall, FSX despite its technical hiccups is a well rounded and enjoyable sim, I personally have bought and enjoy A2A's "accusim" P-47 and Classic Hanger's FW-190s

Think of the bigger picture people, competition is good, it only makes our "small" industry expand and keep it alive and MS has certainly blazed the trail in that regard.

[WTE_Galway]

Whilst not a huge FSX fan, one thing it did have over IL2 was 4 seasons not just 2.

[Tiger27]

Originally Posted by heywooood

I have FSX and its great - after adding lots of aftermarket enhancements.

calling FSX 'pilots' nerds is laughable when I see Il2 fans calling themselves 'fighterpilots' lol

whats the difference - all computer sim players and or gameplayers are nerdlingers - time to face reality on that point, fellers

I agree that MS Flight looks exactly like FSX with ORBX and REX addons in place as default environments -

but then, when you render it all down to brass tacks, Il2:CoD looks like Il2 with hackmods in place and a little extry rounding on the models courtesy of the added polygons you get with PC improvements so....

why all the fingerpointing ?

It looks nothing like Il2 with hackmods? IMO, but you are right most people would consider us all nerds.

[Tiger27]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

IL-2:CoD only real competition today is IL-2 1946.

Simple as that. And as I said in other topic, I don't care of the great terrain at 3km alt, but when I'm chasing an 109 at deck or in a dive bomb over some armour column. Nothing today comes close to IL-2 1946 in these points.

ROF would be the real competition, although its of course WW1, but probably has the current best FM, shame there aren't more people playing online, but still very enjoyable, still I'm looking forward to get back into some WW2 action.

[Stiboo]

Hi Guys

Remember there is a reason that in Cliffs Of Dover Oleg has included a modern plane...

I think long term that Oleg would like to see this flight sim engine expand into all areas of flight including the modern civilian era and when Microsoft FS was scrapped I expect Oleg and Ilya rubbed their hands with glee.

( yes folks..glee is the only cream for rubbing your hands with and only £5 a pot..)

It will be interesting to see which civilian flight sim wins the battle in the next 5 years!


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