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Old 11-25-2010, 09:51 PM
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And if people don't like how smooth the throttle feels, they can mod it. IJ has created some nice aluminium bushings, which replace the plastic ones and makes the throttles action smooth. Add Cubpilot's Hall-Effect sensor kit and you have a good throttle that'll last a lifetime.
by then you have a $800 stick - still w/o ffb.
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Old 11-26-2010, 01:57 AM
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Try a cheap Thrustmaster 16000M. One year of heavy use here, modified to have longer shaft, and just perfect as the first day of use.

Maybe the moving parts don't last as long as a MSFF2, and I don't have FFB, but all the rest are really good.

One great and cheap piece of hardware, but with small recognition I don't know why.
Never really considered before - just looks a bit cheap and nasty. This probably explains lack of recognition. Your info has made me re-consider it. The x/y resolution looks excellent. How do you find the buttons, particularly the hat switch which looks small and slippery?
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Old 11-26-2010, 07:26 AM
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The X52 was useless if you wanted to hit your target quickly. IF the X52 Pro fixed the huge deadzone issue then it may be a viable option. I also don't particularly like the programming software. Personally I wouldn't tough another one with a ten foot pole.

Unfortunately there hasn't been a good joystick since the MSFF2. Although the new Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas appears to have the qualities of a very good stick without force feedback. I will probably buy one soon, hopefully it won't join my Saitek X52, CH Fighterstick, Logitech G940, and Thrustmaster Cougar gathering dust in the basement.
Interesting as I have a similar scrapyard. In my basement I have two CH Figtersticks, a MSFFB2 (first reserve) and a Saitek Evo Force (used for about an hour, will let the kids play "disassembly" with it a rainy day). I have a 940 system on my desk that I love after the firmware fix of the dead zone... Witch stick is on your desktop now?
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Old 11-26-2010, 09:22 AM
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My X52Pro has no deadzone, though it does do the odd diamond shaped response. I'll try and mod it at some point to give the nice circular response
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Old 11-26-2010, 12:08 PM
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where can get this precision tester progi?
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Old 11-26-2010, 01:19 PM
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Joy Tester2 (Precision Tester) and others programs to test joysticks:

http://drop.io/hidden/n65epzbwjbecu5...Rlcy1yYXI%253D

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Old 11-26-2010, 01:28 PM
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Joy Tester2 (Precision Tester) and others programs to test joysticks:

http://drop.io/hidden/n65epzbwjbecu5...Rlcy1yYXI%253D

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Thanks a heap!
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Old 11-26-2010, 01:43 PM
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My X52Pro has no deadzone, though it does do the odd diamond shaped response. I'll try and mod it at some point to give the nice circular response
Dano, how old is your X52pro? is your joystick "sticky" sometime like have been reported by somebody? I do like the X52, but I'm worried i can be disappointed. Right now i have a cheap thrustmaster flight hotas X, and if i do a joytester to draw a circle, well, all i can draw are boxes , very bad feeling in the game. Much better is the AV8R, but is very uncomfortable to use, but the test with joytester is very good. I also thought to get the T.16000 how reported here, seems nice, but i don't want 100000 joysticks on my desk . I think i'll just buy the X52PRO, and if i'll not be satisfied with it i'll then do some mods.

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Old 11-26-2010, 02:03 PM
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The sticky problem of the x52 can be solved.
Put some plastic compatible grease* between the spring dish and the base as well as on the rod of the spring dish.

*: I found Motorex bike grease 2000 to work very well, also most silicon greases should be ok also.
Never - Never use WD40, it's actually pure gasoline(90%).
You cant even use it to clean, as the 10% of oil it has in it will leave a thin oil layer which will make it impossible to reapply any grease on the cleaned item.
Isopropanol alcohol is the fluid of choice if you need to clean plastic parts.
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Old 11-26-2010, 03:52 PM
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I just downloaded Joystester 2 (thanks for the link BTW).

Bloody hell! My old analogue pot X45 is better than either the X52 or X52 Pro if obtaining ever increasing but tight circles is the benchmark. I just put my X45 up for sale on Ebay but me thinks I might sell one of the X52's .

The X52 Pro does have a better resolution than the X52 but both give diamond shapes. Modded X52 = No difference other than improved sensitivity from centre.
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