Need a help: British awards in period of BoB.

[PeterPanPan]

Originally Posted by peterwoods@supanet.com

Edit: Apologies to PeterPanPan. AFC included in your post of 03/03/10. But AFM for other ranks also valid so not all in vain.
Pete

No problem Pete - nice post ... would have replied sooner but I was otherwise engaged in the cooler!
PPanPan

[LukeFF]

Originally Posted by peterwoods@supanet.com

The Air Force Medal was (until 1993) a military decoration awarded to personnel of the Royal Air Force (United Kingdom) and other services, and formerly also to personnel of other Commonwealth countries, below commissioned rank, for "an act or acts of valour, courage or devotion to duty whilst flying, though not in active operations against the enemy".

That would make it irrelevant to SoW.

[LukeFF]

If I was in charge of the British award system, it would look something like this:

-Mentioned in Despatches
-Distinguished Flying Medal
-Conspicuous Gallantry Medal (though, it apparently didn't become an RAF award until 1943)
-Air Force Cross
-Distinguished Flying Cross
-Distinguished Service Cross
-Victoria Cross

[PeterPanPan]

Originally Posted by LukeFF

That would make it irrelevant to SoW.

Hopefully you are wrong. Hopefully SOW will allow other types of missions e.g. providing air cover for downed pilots, recon flights etc. that could require great skill and courage but are not directly in the face of the enemy.

PPanPan

[*Buzzsaw*]

Salute

The Airforce Cross and Airforce Medal were non-combat awards.

They were awarded for administrative performance, for creation of aids to flight, as for example Miss Shillings Orifice.

They were never given for combat performance.

[PeterPanPan]

S!

Not quite right Buzzsaw. The AFC/AFM were "issued for acts of gallantry while flying on non-active operations" [1]. This could mean a wide variety of things so long as gallantry was involved but not in the face of the enemy.

[1] http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/De...ForceCross.htm

PPanPan

[Icewolf]

I provided this link in a previous post

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/s...inmenu/group01

even though it is a canadian link the awards are all shown and is factually correct with photos

[PeterPanPan]

Nice link icewolf, but this shows many awards not relevant for SoW. For example, some are for Military Nursing or Civilians and some are not for the RAF (unless for RAF personnel on the ground/sea - again not relevant here.)

I compiled what I think is a complete and relevant list as at 1940 in an earlier post ... see, http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...41&postcount=7

Cheers

PPanPan

[Icewolf]

of course not all medals shown are valid for sow but the link is important in that they will be factually correct in picture as well as description.I am not a fan of Wikipedia or some other web sites that may lay claim to the truth.
I had made a doc file that shows the valid ones which is available for download a few pages back

[LukeFF]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

Need good images and precise system of awards

The Russian guy who is doing for us such thing is in development "trouble" due to bad research (he don't speak in English...)

If you can help - we would be very glad!
Let me know please here.

Pierre Clostermann gives some good information about the British award system in his autobiography:

A Distinguished Flying Cross was awarded after five kills in around one hundred missions. A Bar to the D.F.C. was given between the tenth and twentieth kill and finally, the Distinguished Service Order was given to Wing Commanders or Squadron Commanders after twenty kills or three hundred missions.

A footnote to the above notes the following about Clostermann:

The author received his first D.F.C. after 8 confirmed kills and almost 300 missions, his second D.F.C. after 370 missions and 20 kills and finally a D.S.O. after 420 missions, 33 kills and the successful command of a Squadron and a Wing.