Announcement of the game "IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad"

[SlipBall]

I see, only another week

[kristorf]

Originally Posted by He111

yes, looks good but i'm still fuming over CLOD so .. I'll wait for a release and user reviews. i was conned by Rome2 pre-order and was stung so no more pre-orders for me.

h

Same here I'm afraid to say, my hard earned £'s stay in my pocket until it's up and running properly, and even then they might stay there as this theatre holds zero interest for me

[klem]

Originally Posted by He111

yes, looks good but i'm still fuming over CLOD so .. I'll wait for a release and user reviews. i was conned by Rome2 pre-order and was stung so no more pre-orders for me.

h

I have similar concerns because 1C are involved and its the same background outfit that walked away from CoD and do not have the same commitment we benefited from throughout IL-2 '46. Also BoS Graphics look very "IL-2 '46" to me so I'll wait for feedback on testing and a successful launch before I decide.

I'm not against pre-ordering in general though and I have backed the DCS WWII 1944 project because of DCS's demonstrated abilities in DCS World which only seemed to lack more experience in MP. Or was it the lack of the communities inclination in that direction? Well, over 2,500 people have backed DCS WWII 1944 which is a decent size 'Day one' community for our genre.

[He111]

Originally Posted by klem

I have similar concerns because 1C are involved and its the same background outfit that walked away from CoD and do not have the same commitment we benefited from throughout IL-2 '46. Also BoS Graphics look very "IL-2 '46" to me so I'll wait for feedback on testing and a successful launch before I decide.

I'm not against pre-ordering in general though and I have backed the DCS WWII 1944 project because of DCS's demonstrated abilities in DCS World which only seemed to lack more experience in MP. Or was it the lack of the communities inclination in that direction? Well, over 2,500 people have backed DCS WWII 1944 which is a decent size 'Day one' community for our genre.

I wonder if Kickstarter can be used to attract funding for new aircraft for CLOD ? if 1C / 777 allows it ? i could put a couple grand into a flyable defiant.

h

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by klem

I have similar concerns because 1C are involved and its the same background outfit that walked away from CoD and do not have the same commitment we benefited from throughout IL-2 '46. Also BoS Graphics look very "IL-2 '46" to me so I'll wait for feedback on testing and a successful launch before I decide.

I'm not against pre-ordering in general though and I have backed the DCS WWII 1944 project because of DCS's demonstrated abilities in DCS World which only seemed to lack more experience in MP. Or was it the lack of the communities inclination in that direction? Well, over 2,500 people have backed DCS WWII 1944 which is a decent size 'Day one' community for our genre.

BoS Graphics look very "IL-2 '46"...the reason for that is they understand that most people have crap rigs to fly with. There would be no sense in creating a game and having people complain about issues, similar to the CLod event that took place.

[Robert]

I don't think BoS graphics look like IL2 at all. They are extremely similar to RoF and that game has made consistent strides in graphics and effects since almost the beginning.

In today's Developer Diary there is a video clip of the LaGG in the hanger. The dimpled reflections on the fuselage far out do IL2's graphics. You can clearly see them again while the plane is on the tarmac. And that's at 720p. I think the rest of the game will have similar enhancements compared to IL2. Look at BoS's lighting effects. I've not seen many, if any, of those in IL2.

I'm not sure I'll really like the landscape, but it is clearly more detailed and light reflective than anything IL2 did. It could make for some interesting snow blindness possibilities.

For it's day IL2 stood head and shoulders above the rest of the flight sim crowd. CoD is a remarkable achievement and I wish it could have gotten the attention we all desire, but the official mantle has been passed on and I have no fear that BoS will surpass it's original in looks .



THAT said: I don't think BoS will match CoD. It'll be nice but it won't be as detailed.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by major_setback

The latest development video, posted yesterday.

even more boring then the last one !

are we supposed to be impressed by a few flames coming out of the engine bay, really ? and this is the exiting news of the week ?

first, the effect is WAY overdone and is just some eye candy for the arcade crowd. if flames that large and of that color were coming out of the exhaust manifolds there would be something VERY wrong with the engine and it would be seriously misfiring, running very poorly, and be about to explode ! the RoF developers should look a bit less at cartoon representations of aircraft and focus more on historically correct information.

in contrast in CoD currently you CAN determine how well your engine is adjusted (lean etc..) by simply looking at the flame color/size of the exhausts (it varies from red/blue to white and black smoke), and the visual effect of the flames actually provides relevant technical information on how your engine if functioning (you can use the blue/red visual flame information to then adjust your mixture, temp etcc, AND the exhaust flame swill change accordingly) . and there are additional variations if the engine is damaged, overheated, seized, etc...

the Rof crowd seems to have gone from being hyper critical of CoD and forever whining about trivial minor things, to lapping anything up the RoF folks produce, even if inferior by a mile. poor show folks, lets apply similar standards to determine quality then again, logic, reasoning and common sense has never been a troll attribute lol, so maybe i am asking there for the impossible !

[CWMV]

Awful quick to render judgment on something that isn't out yet, aren't we?

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by zapatista

even more boring then the last one !

are we supposed to be impressed by a few flames coming out of the engine bay, really ? and this is the exiting news of the week ?

first, the effect is WAY overdone and is just some eye candy for the arcade crowd. if flames that large and of that color were coming out of the exhaust manifolds there would be something VERY wrong with the engine and it would be seriously misfiring, running very poorly, and be about to explode ! the RoF developers should look a bit less at cartoon representations of aircraft and focus more on historically correct information.

in contrast in CoD currently you CAN determine how well your engine is adjusted (lean etc..) by simply looking at the flame color/size of the exhausts (it varies from red/blue to white and black smoke), and the visual effect of the flames actually provides relevant technical information on how your engine if functioning (you can use the blue/red visual flame information to then adjust your mixture, temp etcc, AND the exhaust flame swill change accordingly) . and there are additional variations if the engine is damaged, overheated, seized, etc...

the Rof crowd seems to have gone from being hyper critical of CoD and forever whining about trivial minor things, to lapping anything up the RoF folks produce, even if inferior by a mile. poor show folks, lets apply similar standards to determine quality then again, logic, reasoning and common sense has never been a troll attribute lol, so maybe i am asking there for the impossible !

A real pity, Oleg really covered all the bases with the detail and the possibilities.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by zapatista

the Rof crowd seems to have gone from being hyper critical of CoD and forever whining about trivial minor things, to lapping anything up the RoF folks produce, even if inferior by a mile. poor show folks, lets apply similar standards to determine quality then again, logic, reasoning and common sense has never been a troll attribute lol, so maybe i am asking there for the impossible !

I can't disagree on this bolded point. There are some who were annoyingly vocal about the development cycle of CoD and now some of the same seem to be very eagerly awaiting BoS. I don't think it's fair... or honest.... but it is what it is.

I have CoD, despite 1C abandoning it and thanks to Team Fusion, but I also have BoS. I don't think it will be as in-depth as CoD, on the other hand nor do I think it was ever advertized as such.

As much as I cut slack for CoD's development, I can't bring myself to be an early adopter of the new DCS/Oleg/Luthier offering. I'll keep an open eye and view what folks think.



EDIT: I can only hope the change of heart is in recognition that flight sim pickings are slim and the constant complaining and bickering was fruitless. I honestly don't think the complaining was personal (except for maybe one or two folks). Considering that if 1C didn't pass the torch to 777 there could possibly be a wasteland of flight sims instead of the hope of the continued work on CoD by TF.... 777's BoS.... and DCS's 1944 scenario.