Very short development update

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

I deleted a lot of my threads today.I got dragged into a tit for tat exchange with an expert troll to my shame.After 10 years with il2 on various forums I really should know better.
I think a lot of others are falling for the same troll.It does the forum no favours.Ignore is the best way forward.
Must.Try.Harder.

indeed, my bad as well.

[furbs]

I didn't read all your post Blackdog, but your prob spot on with what ever you said.

David Hayward, you said you didn't like to put people on ignore in case they have something interesting to say.
Im now sure you wont. Goodbye. Ignored.

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Ok, this is going around in circles obviously, so let me take one quote that struck me in particular to illustrate how the "middle of the road" people view you guys. The quote is by Furbs, but it could just as easily have been a post by Tree or David. Ready? Let's go then




It's his opinion. That's the annoying thing with you people, and by "you" i mean both "fanboys" and "whiners" alike: you all think you are the holders of the holy grail of universal truth, you speak about your right to have your say and completely disrespect the rights of others to do the same.

When you drag every single thread down to the dumps with the usual routine of "whiner sniping comment" followed by "snappy fanboy comeback", to the point that we can't really talk about what we initially set out to talk about because it's all dragged off topic, to the point where threads with useful information degenerate to personal insults and get locked, then you're not exercising your rights to freedom of speech, you're just depriving others of theirs.

If you get banned for doing so it's not curtailing your freedom of speech, it's protecting the freedom of speech of the rest who you so easily disregard and disrespect. We don't need your slagging matches in every single thread, create your own thread and have a blast but don't annoy everyone else with a total lack of respect for their intentions and interests in starting or participating in a thread. You're like the annoying guy in the pub that barges in, sits at a table with people he doesn't know, interrupts their conversation and forces them to listen to a bunch of things they don't care about and when he's told to shut up he goes all "oh my freedom of speech"

Well, i have news for those of you that fit the description. It's not us that are intolerant and stifling the opinions of others, it's you and we've officially had enough of your shenanigans.

People will disagree with you and often won't be interested to get convinced, it's the essence of having the freedom to discuss things in venues like an open forum such as this. If people can't get over this they should find a different pass-time that doesn't strain them so much and stop projecting that strain onto everyone else along with their obsessive need to convert everyone else to their beliefs. Have your say, judge the reception and if it's poor keep it to yourself, you're not more important than the rest.

Don't take this personally, you guys have become boring through repetition and as a result you are at a point where you're getting viewed by many as bringing nothing useful to the table, that's why you're getting called out on it by an increasing amount of people as the days go by. They got bored of the "this is broken", "no it's not" repetition, they would prefer a "this is broken, but i have this workaround for you" followed by a report on how it works out, or "there's no stock dynamic campaign but here, i made one for you" followed by some user feedback, like the people who have something useful to offer do in the subforums.

In other words, your strategy is simply getting obsolete by gradually infuriating the civil majority of the community to the point that they'll gladly stop being civil and go out to openly contest your reign of boredom on the forums.

If your aim is to make everyone post with the kind of attitude you guys display then congrats because it's gradually working. I don't know if you'll like it in the end though, because the majority are a quiet bunch who are just waiting to see where this is going and doing their best to have some fun in the meantime.

If they start speaking up against you with the frequency and aggressive proselytizing attitude you guys display, you stand a good change of being effectively hunted out of this forum by the silent majority of the community alone and there won't be no need at all for Luthier or the mods to show you the way out. You'll just be getting swamped by every fed up user every time you speak until you're fed up yourself and quit it, or leave the forums. The ball is in your court guys, your choice.



Mods, can we have a single "rants, speculation, arguments and off-topic megathread" sticky and move all such posts there? Let them have their playground, just make sure they get dragged there at every offending step so we won't have to put up with this anymore?

They are curtailing our freedom of speech by dragging every single discussion their way and if they have a right to moan about things that annoy them, so do the rest of us for being annoyed by them. I demand equal treatment for the part of the community who's fed up with their antics.

You see, it's so easy to play this game guys, get on my soapbox and assume i'm speaking on behalf of others. The difference is i have a multitude of posts spent on helping increase the enjoyment factor with the sim for other people, while most of you have a stream of bickering one-liners among yourselves, so i might have a bit more luck drumming up support for my cause than you do.

The one and only time i actively campaigned for something on these forums, it was improved CEM/aircraft systems and optional clickable cockpits during the sim's development, which we got, and that was convincing the dev team on something which had a real cost in man-hours and money to implement.

I have a feeling it won't be that hard to swing moderation around a bit so you can't dominate every single unrelated post to further your personal agendas, since it costs nothing to just have a sticky thread to move all offending posts to. Heck, if the mods are too busy i'll gladly take on the job for a while.

oh, we have a candidate for post of the year!
give the man the job

[Hunden]

Play Dark Blue World for now and all your fustration with this one won't seem so important.

[dflion]

I'm glad to hear that you are all alive and the sound is progressing well - liked the kid 'bluegrass band'. You have certainly got a very good sample of the general mood with all the previous posts?

I'm 'chipping away' at the FMB and discovering something new everyday. When you immerse yourself deeply in the FMB, you really realise that a hell of a lot of work has gone into the sim already and it is set-up for future development. The only thing I don't like is the 'Steam invasion on your computer'.

It would be good to get a 'sound development update' vid?

DFLion

[robtek]

A new low for the "bash the devs"-crew.

A steadfast opposition to their "crusade for imaginary rights" must be a troll, LOL

As long as there are people there will always be some with a different opinion.

Your inability to cope with that, by using "ignore-lists" and your invulnerability to reason speaks volumes about you.

At least some of you still find the time to actually enjoy the sim online, as i've seen on the syndicate - server.

[furbs]

Ive had 150 hours of COD Robtek, plenty of them online, i want COD to do well, im trying to enjoy it now.

[robtek]

Furbs,

most of us are doing that, enjoying, ok, in some cases trying to enjoy, the sim.

Just remember, this sim is projected to stay with us for many years, what does a puny little delay of a few weeks for information and/or "The Patch" mean in the relation to that?

[furbs]

Yes, but what worries me is this Robtek, every stage so far of COD has been shambolic, and i mean every stage, every milestone from the announcement in 2003 i think right through to the latest "update" from Luthier.

That does not give me hope for what ever they are trying to do. there is a base problem with COD, and its not going away any time soon.

They have had my support and my money, they have had almost 5 months since release, at what point should we start seeing the devs pull their fingers out and getting things right? 6 months, a year?

how long is too long Robtek?

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by furbs

Yes, but what worries me is this Robtek, every stage so far of COD has been shambolic, and i mean every stage, every milestone from the announcement in 2003 i think right through to the latest "update" from Luthier.

That does not give me hope for what ever they are trying to do. there is a base problem with COD, and its not going away any time soon.

They have had my support and my money, they have had almost 5 months since release, at what point should we start seeing the devs pull their fingers out and getting things right? 6 months, a year?

how long is too long Robtek?

Sorry for butting in as the question was directed to Robotek but, how long is too late for whom?

For many who have been expressing their dissatisfaction I would probably say it's already too late. It obvious from some of the comments that there is nothing that the developers could do to appease some people and that they're just here to stir the pot.

For the developers it will be to late as soon as a competitor releases an alternative that is better, has more features and is more stable. As a community we are quite a fickle bunch and It's in the developers best interest to get the problems sorted out as quickly as possible. They have a short window of opportunity. I would assume that Alienating enthusiast like your-self who have shown a long term commitment to the original series and community is not their intentions

So far I haven't seen any evidence that the developers haven't been 'pulling their fingers out' (I'ld assume they'd be working as hard as they could be), but 'getting it right' may be a bit harder to achieve. Quick fixes may not be the best course of action in the long run. 'Hopefully' they are doing it right and hopefully it doesn't take too long.


Cheers!