4.10 Support & Bug Reporting

[elkaskone]

@Letum

2,8-3G means nothing in the Game,
if this will be not fixed you are unable to make good defensive figures at medium speeds!
Other flyable Bombers can all pull more G than the 111H2 and it looks uneven in my eyes!
If 2,8-3G for he111h2 is realistic number, than i think many other planes need a negative fix!

[robtek]

I have found some data for the He111 here :
http://www.bredow-web.de/Sinsheim-Sp..._111_h-16.html
there one can read :

Safe load factor in recovering in relation to the aircraft center of gravity:

2,9 g at 11,6 tons
3,1 g at 11,0 tons
3,4 g at 10,0 tons
3,6 g at 9,5 tons

If thats the safe figures the damage should occur at much higher g-loads.

[Ian Boys]

Av, can you get AI planes to despawn in MDS? I can't.

[JtD]

Empty TO weight H-2 in game: ~12 tons.
TO weight H-2 with 8x250kg bombs: ~14 tons
Safe g-limit when applying RL data: ~2.8g / 2.4g against structural damage
Safety factor in Germany at that time: 1.5 to complete failure.
Instant failure for in game weights: 4.2 g / 3.6 g

Summary: He 111H-2 failing at about 3 g -> ok.

[JtD]

Originally Posted by Ian Boys

Av, can you get AI planes to despawn in MDS? I can't.

Always despawn for me, and I didn't do anything magic. Just checked the appropriate box.

[robtek]

Originally Posted by JtD

Empty TO weight H-2 in game: ~12 tons.
TO weight H-2 with 8x250kg bombs: ~14 tons
Safe g-limit when applying RL data: ~2.8g / 2.4g against structural damage
Safety factor in Germany at that time: 1.5 to complete failure.
Instant failure for in game weights: 4.2 g / 3.6 g

Summary: He 111H-2 failing at about 3 g -> ok.

If 20% difference is ok for you????
Fully loaded with 100% fuel it should share its wings, or else, at 3.6 g, not 3.
And sincerly, fully loaded with 100% fuel we have only at the start.
Do ALL bombers have their limits below the real data or only some??

[JtD]

No, there should be chance of it shedding wings eventually from 2.8 g onwards. They should certainly fail at 4.2g (empty, 100%).

[koivis]

I tested all the He 111 variants and found some interesting results:

He 111 H-2, empty, 10% fuel: 2,8/4,2
He 111 H-2, 8xSC250, 100% fuel: 1,9/2,8 (<- is this the ~3G you got?)

He 111 H-6, empty, 10% fuel: 5,1/7,6
He 111 H-6, 1xSC2000, 100% fuel: 3,3/5,0

He 111 H-12, 1xFritz-X, 100% fuel: 3,5/5,2

It seems that H-2 and H-6&12 have totally different G-limits. H-2 is indeed more fragile than the link posted by robtek suggest, but then that data is for H-16. H-6, on the other hand, is amazingly durable. In empty loadout and with low fuel, I managed to get the wings off at over 6G, and even that needed some "softening" first. I'm thinking that both could be wrong, but any plane modelled with too low G-limits is not good for the game.

EDIT: the way to test these is very simple. Turn on the no-cockpit HUD view, dive, pull up slowly. When the G-number display turns red, you are within 25% of the service limit. Service limit = red number / 0,75; break limit = service limit x 1,5.

[322Sqn_Dusty]

Maybe it's possible for me to ask a couple of veterans from 322Squadron how they trimmed the various Spitfre types and how the ladies behaved.

Some of the veterans I spoke with a couple of years ago I asked how she flew... they all gave the same answer more or less.. 'she flies as she looks'

*ot* great pictures ivank. Got more?

[vparez]

Hi TD,

got a graphics bug: in the early spitfire MkIXc, with the rounded vertical tail, the last LOD that casts shadows, is missing the shadow for left wing mid(?) section.

Cheers!