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Old 08-31-2009, 07:19 PM
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truth is the hurricane was the most versatile aircraft in our arsenal and did a sterling job.

I agree it did a very good job and was quite versatile. However, I think the Mosquito takes the prize for most versatile.

P.S. I do love the look of them and do feel privelliged everytime I see one.
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:23 PM
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I agree it did a very good job and was quite versatile. However, I think the Mosquito takes the prize for most versatile.

P.S. I do love the look of them and do feel privelliged everytime I see one.

Close call, as both did the job needed rather well. But what makes the hurricane "the most versatile" is the fact it can be launched from a carrier and also from a catapult on board merchant ships

The wooden wonder (mossie) is without a doubt the nicest, most amazing twin engined aircraft ever designed or created. I fell in love with the mossie when i saw her displaying at an air show many many years ago. Sadly our (UK) only flight worthy mossie was lost in a crash a few years back.
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:25 PM
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:26 PM
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Yeah, I saw her at Duxford a few years ago as well. Loved every second of it. That was back when there were only 2 (I think) flying Hurricanes. This year at Warbirds, there were 4. They look so good flying in Vic formation, really gives you a feel for what it was like!
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:28 PM
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Dang what happen?? wasnt going steap enuff for it to Stall right?
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:33 PM
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Dang what happen?? wasnt going steap enuff for it to Stall right?
Official verdict if i remember stated that something with one of the engines went wrong, (something came loose or broke i think it was) carburetor i think?? could be wrong. It wasnt down to pilot error though, as you can see he tried his best to get it back on track. I think a few hundred more feet and he might of recovered, all be in on one engine.

Tragic waste of a good pilot and a beautiful plane.
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:36 PM
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Yeah, I saw her at Duxford a few years ago as well. Loved every second of it. That was back when there were only 2 (I think) flying Hurricanes. This year at Warbirds, there were 4. They look so good flying in Vic formation, really gives you a feel for what it was like!

its good to see more hurries flying, i think in total now the UK has 9 airworthy hurricanes. Would love to see them all flying together. Was gutted to see one from duxford crash a couple of years ago, or maybe last year even?? when doing a mock dogfight with a 109.

What was touching was that straight after hurrie crashed, a group of spitfires took off and flew the "missing man formation" over the crash site. Must of been hard to do. Will post a clip of it...
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:39 PM
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must of been hard to do.
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Old 08-31-2009, 08:07 PM
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Careful, you're going to get me into a fight with Soviet Ace here

Okay, head to head with the Spitfire MkXIV and La7.

The La-7 is primarily a low altitude fighter. It is very quick low down, even quicker than the MkXIV. This advantage hold up to around 7,500ft, after this the MkXIV catches up and the overtakes the La-7s top speed. Climb rate is always in the Spitfire's favour, but increasingly so with altitude.

The Spitfire XIV is much nicer to fly, and can be held on its limits for a lot longer than the La-7. The La-7 is a pretty good high speed turner, but don't try slow, tight turning fights in it. The XIV is almost as good at high speed and much better if the fight slows down. Armament is pretty much equal, with 3 20mm cannon for the La-7 and 2 20mm and either 2 .50cals or 4 .303s for the Spitfire.

If flown (as you should be doing) in the cockpit view the Spitfire has much better visibility.

Overall, I think the Spitfire XIV has only a small advantage low down, but this grows with altitude and by 15,000ft the Spitfire should be well in control of the fight. The only time a La-7 will have an advantage is low down, if the pilot can keep the fight moving very fast. Even here if the Spitfire pilot can slow the fight down even slightly the similar top speeds and excellent armament of the Spitfire will be able to force the La-7 onto the defensive if La-7 pilot tries to open up a gap and get some speed back. A XIV on the defensive can always lose a La-7 with a tight spiralling climb, because the Spitfire can outclimb the La-7 and as the climb slows down the La-7 won't be able to hold on as low as the Spitfire with its poor low speed manoeuvrability. Once the La-7 breaks out the Spitfire can use its acceleration and good long range guns to nail the La-7 very fast unless it gets a lot of separation very quickly.
Alright, here's your problem David. You love the Spitfire MkXIV way to much. Considering that the La-7 was a low altitude aircraft, it was more of a medium fighter (Since it had either 2-3 20mm or 30mm cannons). It wasn't designed to at the time compete with the more nimble and better performing Yak-3, which I think against a Spitfire MkIX could do fairly well, and would be an interesting dogfight, just to see how the planes did against one another. But the thing that made the La-7 was its range to fly. That's what it was actually mainly used for. Escorting Russian bombers etc, unlike the Yak-3 which was primarily used as defending ground forces from enemy fighters/bombers (A true Dogfighter). So seeing how the La-7 and La-5-5FN were capable of having a pretty amazing turning ability, I don't think your Spitfire MkXIV would lose a La-7 in a quick turn.


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What about controlls?

"All of the engine controls (throttle, mixture, propeller pitch, radiator and cowl flaps, and supercharger gearbox) had separate levers which served to distract the pilot during combat to make constant adjustments or risk suboptimal performance. For example, rapid acceleration required moving no less than six levers. "
Shameless copy from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-5

By the description one would have to be able to multitask well just to fly it, must have been a nightmare during dogfighting.
Now, about the Throttle, Mixture, Propeller, Pitch, Radiator, and cowl flaps etc. That was just on the La-5 (The original varient) but the later FN, which also had a better more powerful engine, it was simplified so the pilot wasn't distracted with messing around in the cockpit, and he/she could concentrate on their target. If I had a scanner with me, I could copy the cockpit of a La-5FN, and La-7 which both have very simple control cockpits, from this book all about Soviet Aircraft. But they both still have more instruments etc. than a Yak-3, which is by far the best Soviet Aircraft of WW2
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:35 PM
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The wooden wonder
It was always "the balsa bomber" to me
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