Energy Maneuverability

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

Wrong.
Airframes bend in RL and when stressed they bend in IL2COD.

And the penalty for that damage in CoD is ?

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

I hope you don't think 46's wings flying off is how it happens in real life?

I've never personally seen a WW2 aircraft pushed past its flight envelope to cause a structural failure, so I have no idea what happens.

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

Perhaps you could tell us what sim has structural G's modeled right? I'd like to play it.

Find a sim that has any parameter modelled right and I will fly it.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by JG14_Josf

I can't, so I don't make such claims, instead I ask questions, and if someone had something to offer, on topic, then reasonably, the on topic question could be answered accurately.

I did just that for you.

Do you have any more questions? Let me ask you a few, too, because I am now very confused about what you actually want to achieve.

Do you need this information (answers for your questions) for yourself as a start for flying this sim (e.g. particular optimal engine settings for particular phases of the flight)? If this is the case I am more than happy to answer most of your questions or I am happy to guide you to specific threads on this forums regarding that particular topic.

Do you need this information to find out where the general advantages / disadvantages of particular fighter types portrayed in this sim lay? I believe I answered most of these questions and pointed you in the right direction already (e.g. informing you that the 109 is indeed modelled as dominant in the vertical level, compared to the RAF fighters). I also strongly suggested trying for yourself (spending time actually playing this game). I also strongly suggested flying all types available in order to achieve complete and objective perception of the relative performance as modelled in this particular sim.

Do you need this information to discuss the theoretical side of Air combat and observe how these universal rules are applying within this particular sim? I believe I am sure I did my best to explain to you just that side of this discussion. I did that from the position of a person that spent hundreds of hours playing this particular simulator. Bliss did the very same thing for you and I believe you do now have a very good idea of how the overall situation in this sim is percieved by its users.

Is your intention sharing the outcomes of your first online encounters in this particular sim (e.g. shooting of AI bombers on the ATAG server)? If this is the case, I heartily congratulate to your success and I wish you even more.

[Osprey]

It's all very sad.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

And the penalty for that damage in CoD is ?


I've never personally seen a WW2 aircraft pushed past its flight envelope to cause a structural failure, so I have no idea what happens.



Find a sim that has any parameter modelled right and I will fly it.

Perhaps you could actually go fly the game you are a moderator for and find out for yourself what happens when an airframe is bent. The game has it modeled closer to any WWII sim ever made.

Still waiting on your answer to what game has structural G-limits modeled correctly. It sure seemed a heck of a lot like you were talking about 46 (which is normal for you). It's pretty bad you think that's right though lol.

Just a hint: There's been many instances, especially with modern jets of structural G stress way past their limits and the airframe damage that occurs.

Can anyone tell me why my post keeps getting deleted?

[MadBlaster]

i wasn't trolling. my answer gave consideration that g meter wasn't available to use in the CLOD poo software and also put blackouts as a side issue by making it moot/inactive in the test I described. so, the focus would be on the elevator limitation and because it is at sea level, the energy from gravity is moot/rulled out in the test I described, as well. I also considered in my answer that in rl, the only data you have available to make a determination of energy fighter verses angles fighter is the information you have from inside your cockpit (i.e, your gauges) and your observation of your opponent. the op's quest to find the exact performance numbers is moot. in 1v1 situation, you only need to know if you are the angles or the energy fighter. that can change, simply based on opponent loadout, altitude differential...etc. maybe op has way to measure fuel load of his opponent at the merge??? use the force??? su26 shooting blue laser, x tie fighter style? maybe in clod poo software you can do this? good luck luke.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by Osprey

It's all very sad.

Osprey - we have a thread going on our forums about this. We're going to get something going to have him removed. I've never seen such poor excuse for moderation in my life. We will be in contact with the site leaders of 1C. I know many others that feel the same way.

[4./JG53_Wotan]

KG26_Alpha is a fine moderator - he simply deleted troll posts that have nothing to do with the thread topic.

So what if you don't like - who are you again?

Wotan

[ATAG_Bliss]

I can see why you and Josf get along so well. You're both on the same "level".

[4./JG53_Wotan]

My replies have nothing to do with Josf.

They are pointed at the self-righteous "mister experience" 'tards like yourself.

I have been on this forum since 2007 and until today had less then 25 posts. I only participate in these "discussions" when folks like you show up.

As a moderator Alpha has done his job - even deleting a couple of my own off-topic posts.

He should by all rights delete the last 2 I made. If and when that happens I certainly won't shed a tear - or bother crying over on my squad forum and provoking the town folk into grabbing the torches and pitch forks to go after an "evil moderator".

Wotan

[IvanK]

Well wings do actually come off in severe Over G cases . In 46 the aircraft do actual deform (FM wise) for over G, Wing shedding occurs for gross overstress.

Here is a Partnavia pulling the wings off IRL straight out symmetrical over G