The most effective rudder ever

[TomcatViP]

If you are bellow stall speed, you fall. That's pretty simple. Only your thrust vector can compensate for it. With the nose on the horizon, the plane should be in a vertical descent no matter what rotational speed he have.

On some occasion on the CoD vid posted here, the plane seems to float in that situation. It shld not happens (check the real vid - see the attitude of the Su26 when the pilot use the "hoovering" effect).

Regarding the P51 hanging bellow his prop, beware of visual distortion. When you are far bellow an object climbing vertically, it's easy to think it does not move.

The T/W ratio of a Lightened P51 is around 0.3. No way it can hoover under it's own prop. The fall down bckwrd is only slowed down, what give you in certain view point the feel that it "float".

[palker4]

anyway here is another one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUy3TLCNlUw

[kristorf]

I thought the topic was something differant,
I was going to say don't add the Titanic to the list..

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by kristorf

I thought the topic was something differant,
I was going to say don't add the Titanic to the list..

Bismark's didn't react well to swordfish either.....

[planespotter]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Regarding the P51 hanging bellow his prop, beware of visual distortion. When you are far bellow an object climbing vertically, it's easy to think it does not move.

Yes you are right of course.

Peopel who like this Su26 have you tried 'crimson skies'? It is also good with silly planes, silly physics and much fun.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

If you are bellow stall speed, you fall. That's pretty simple. Only your thrust vector can compensate for it. With the nose on the horizon, the plane should be in a vertical descent no matter what rotational speed he have.

No. A plane hovering hanging from its propeller is not stalling, and the airspeed is gonna be 0.
What do you mean with the nose on the horizon and vertical descent?

On some occasion on the CoD vid posted here, the plane seems to float in that situation. It shld not happens (check the real vid - see the attitude of the Su26 when the pilot use the "hoovering" effect).

the "floating" could be achievable in a controlled spin with a Su-26 and similar aerobatic planes.

Regarding the P51 hanging bellow his prop, beware of visual distortion. When you are far bellow an object climbing vertically, it's easy to think it does not move.

The T/W ratio of a Lightened P51 is around 0.3. No way it can hoover under it's own prop. The fall down bckwrd is only slowed down, what give you in certain view point the feel that it "float".

no idea what you're on about here mate.

[LoBiSoMeM]

And here we go... the Su-26 FM is porked...

This "community" sometimes is boring... any Su-26 REAL PILOT here? All people here are real pilots or PhD in physics...

I never flew a Su-26, don't know how the physics are modeled in CloD, but after looking at the videos of REAL Su-26, i liked the CloD Su-26 FM.

But all the "experts" can please elaborate more...

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

And here we go... the Su-26 FM is porked...

This "community" sometimes is boring... any Su-26 REAL PILOT here? All people here are real pilots or PhD in physics...

I never flew a Su-26, don't know how the physics are modeled in CloD, but after looking at the videos of REAL Su-26, i liked the CloD Su-26 FM.

But all the "experts" can please elaborate more...

this is an ongoing problem mate, we indeed have real pilots in this community (me and Bongodriver to mention a couple, but there's more), and some of us have also experience on vintage and aerobatic aeroplanes, yet it doesn't seem to be good enough, because there are a lot of armchair experts that know it better, having built their knowledge not on flying hours and syllabus like us, but on Top Gun, pilot biographies and their idea of how a plane should fly.

One tries to explain things to people, but some comments in this thread and others really show that people's unhappiness with the way this sim flies is because of their self righteousness (and their complete lack of understanding of how a propeller aeroplane flies).
I hate how this sim has been damaged, but if there's one thing I will vouch for it's definitely the FM. Not perfect mind you, but showing the potential and a seldom seen attention to details.

[PE_Tigar]

+1 w. Sternjaeger - CPL/A here, no experience in aerobatic planes, but to me the FM in CloD feels much, much better than in Il-2 1946. There are and will be some oddities especially with UFOs like Su-26, but I don't feel that solving those should be a priority.

[SQB]

Originally Posted by PE_Tigar

+1 w. Sternjaeger - CPL/A here, no experience in aerobatic planes, but to me the FM in CloD feels much, much better than in Il-2 1946. There are and will be some oddities especially with UFOs like Su-26, but I don't feel that solving those should be a priority.

Pilot here too, with aerobatic practice in the... wait for it... C152A (). But yeah, I agree, the model feels very nice, with only a couple of, uh, let's say interesting behaviours. Liking it so far.