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Old 08-16-2012, 02:38 AM
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You could always shoot from the hip ....

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Old 08-16-2012, 07:22 PM
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That was a good watch; I really enjoy Mythbusters. I competed for about 10 years in Practical Pistol Shooting (IPSC); sometimes a shooting stage required you to shoot strong hand only (which I found a bit difficult) or weak hand only (REALLY difficult).

Moving into Cowboy Action Shooting (SASS) I was able to strengthen my one hand shooting with the single action pistols, but still not as effectively as the two-handed Weaver stance.

My buds and I all tried shooting from the hip.....and sucked! Same goes for the "gangsta" style. LOL

I was impressed with the guys' shooting skill on the video. As was mentioned at the outset, they've had training and they've certainly practiced. Good video.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:45 PM
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Good points here(no pun) har har But in the mid 90s I managed to make the cut and I ended up on a twelve man SF team in the US Army and we spent alot of time at the range(s) and it was pounded in to always shoot with both eyes open for tactical reasons which makes sense. It worked okay for me with pistols but with rifles I couldn't help but to close one eye slightly once in a while when I aimed. Must go back those old bb gun days.
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Old 08-19-2012, 10:28 PM
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Good points here(no pun) har har But in the mid 90s I managed to make the cut and I ended up on a twelve man SF team in the US Army and we spent alot of time at the range(s) and it was pounded in to always shoot with both eyes open for tactical reasons which makes sense. It worked okay for me with pistols but with rifles I couldn't help but to close one eye slightly once in a while when I aimed. Must go back those old bb gun days.
Ah, maybe you knew something the instructors completely missed:

EDIT: I just attached this clip for humour only -- the irony of little Ralphie actually doing what his Mom had warned him about with the bb gun. No reflection intended whatsoever on the excellent training you had received in service of your country!

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Old 08-20-2012, 04:04 AM
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You're all very quick to attack, maybe just because it's raaaid.

I used to play very high-level competitive tournament paintball, and obviously there is a loader above the gun that holds about 160 balls and has a vertical feed tube, so no sights whatsoever. I figured this technique out on my own, and found it to be incredibly accurate, as far as paintball guns go. A painball gun is no where near as accurate as a real gun, or even a bb gun, but this way of shooting where you aim at the target, position your head behind the gun so that you can essentially see two barrels perfectly symmetrical, is by far the most accurate way of shooting a paintball gun. I always tried explaining the technique to many teammates over the years and most of them couldn't even figure out what it was I was telling them to try.

Anyway, don't be so quick to let him know he's a nutcase or whatever, there's nothing written in stone that prevents someone from possibly using this technique with a real firearm with extremely proficient success... at shortish-range
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Old 08-20-2012, 12:22 PM
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Good post, Mr_Steven.

Almost 20 years ago my young nephew (14 years old) asked if I'd take him to the local paintball range -- his Dad was out of town on business. The facility is (was) located in a converted factory building with a mock city built within (small "houses", "storefronts", alley ways, etc.). I had a fellow IPSC shooter & friend come along for smiles & chuckles. We both were experienced in 3-gun competition (pistols, rifles, shotguns) and figured we'd show these kids how it was done.

Wrongo!!!

These "kids" (avg age est. 16 years, I guess) were dead serious. They got their hits from amazing (to Murray and I, at least) distances, especially taking into account the trajectory of these paintballs after, what, 25 yards or so. Sadly for us two old farts, it was like the final scene in "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid". Those paintballs HURT! The only chance we had seemed to be running as fast as we could from bldg to bldg -- they didn't lead us enough. But slow down and it became a World of Hurt.

We lost every single match. For one of 'em when the starting horn sounded I raised my head over a wall and my facemask turned technicolour with paintball impacts. I was picked off 2 seconds into the game. Murray was laughing so hard I damned near shot him myself.

None of these kid marksman shot from the hip that I recall. They must've employed a technique much like you describe, since, as you mention, the gravity feed magazine is over the rifle and precludes using conventional sights IIRC. I didn't see anyone go snake-eyed, although facemasks hide that kind of detail. But these "kids" sure got their hits. I had the welts the next morning to prove it.

Murray and I never went paintball shooting again. He still has a chipped bone in his elbow from vaulting over a low wall and landing hard. Or maybe it was me landing on top of him a half second later. Dunno. Anything to get away from those stinging paintballs!!!

So maybe like you say, Raaid is on to something after all.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:26 PM
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Unless you have a $1000+ dollar paintball gun and are shooting the most expensive paint available there is no aiming a paintball. And even if you do have the above equipment, it's still a crap shoot.

Also, for each round that hit you there were probably 15 fired, if not more. That's not aiming.

The "break" is the key to a tourney style paintball game and the experienced kids shoot at a "lane" that they know players are likely to be running through. Once you learn how to play the break your game time will increase significantly.

Of course, NOTHING is more important than knowing the field. Once you have played a field a few times you learn which lanes are the best and which are the worst and how to time them.

Watching the other players on their setup before the game starts is also important. It's funny to watch the newbies across the field talk and point to where they are going to go on the break. Ignore the ones that are hitting close bunkers and light up the lanes to the long ones and watch 'em fall!

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Gravity feed is for newbies, my loader will feed 18 rounds per second and my gun will fire 1500 round per minute in full auto (no, I'm not kidding). Unfortunately when the gun outruns the loader there is a stoppage so I can't go full auto (I don't have an adjustable rate circuit board). That's OK b/c I can "walk" the trigger on semi-auto and still outrun the loader.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:31 PM
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Interesting stuff, Outlaw.

Do you find any of the skills you've obviously honed in paintball at all transferable to deflection shooting in CoD?
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Old 08-20-2012, 05:37 PM
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Interesting stuff, Outlaw.

Do you find any of the skills you've obviously honed in paintball at all transferable to deflection shooting in CoD?
Not really. The range is so short in paintball the required deflection is due more to the pathetic accuracy and muzzle velocity of the weapon system rather than the range and speed in the game (and/or real life).

I shoot IDPA at the club level on occasion and paintball really helped that as far as thinking with your head while shooting (paintball came before IDPA for me).

I've had a few stoppages in competition (and many in paintball) and, according to my competition, I handle it very well. That comes from paintball.

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