Congratulations Jaguar!!!

[Welshman]

Jag is cool , i have an S-type diesel was really going to get a Type R but my head took over but tbh its quite fast for an oil burner . though its parked up for sale atm because now im driving a porsche 996 of all things thread related lol ..

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

could make... It's a different philosophy for different driving styles and roads, but the thrill of massive torque acceleration will never be as exhilarating as brushing perfect bends around the Nurburgring circuit.

You can have a fast car, but there's always the off chance of someone having a faster car than you. You don't need to be a good driver, you just need a bigger wallet.

A well balanced car will give you endless entertainment for decades and teach you a lot about handling and performance driving.

I bet that if you ask to most of them "drivers" how's their heel-and-toe they'd probably look puzzled at their own foot

I've had both. Used to race in the SCCA and before that mini sprints. Most of my family has roots deep into turn racing. A cousin races in Nascar. 2 others race in the World of Outlaws.

But there's nothing more exhillerating than driving a car that can kill you anytime you press the go button. Many people have had good cornering cars. Heck you can buy some decent ones directly from the manufacturer. There's absolutely no excitement to that unless I'm racing.

But I build cars to blow people's doors off in roads you see on the street. Driving an SCCA car on the street is boring as hell. But take out something that'll light up the tires at 100mph on the street and that's fun. Take you're high cornering lambo's, bmw's, ferraris, etc., in every day street driving and I will embarrass them. Take those cars to a track and sure, I'll probably lose unless I changed the chassis up a bit. But for the street, a cornering car is absolutely worthless, at least in the US, where 90% of our roads you could fall asleep going 70mph on as they are all straight. I love that guy driving his ferrari that hears my exhaust as I'm creeping up next to him. Then you hear that high reving ferrari wind up and mid life crises ferrari dude's smile immediatley turns into disbelief when I happen to do the same with my car and literally watch him disappear in my rear window in a matter of seconds. That's what every day driving is. That's exhileration on a daily basis. Even funner when you blow the doors off someone driving a 9000lb diesel truck that's faster in the straight line than 99% of most production cars made. That's down right hillarious.

[baronWastelan]

Originally Posted by Welshman

Jag is cool , i have an S-type diesel was really going to get a Type R but my head took over but tbh its quite fast for an oil burner . though its parked up for sale atm because now im driving a porsche 996 of all things thread related lol ..

Oh this is intriguing. Would also like to know what other Jags (or MG or Triumph or Lotus) and/or other Porsches have you owned, if any?

P.S. I went from MG to Porsche.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

But there's nothing more exhillerating than driving a car that can kill you anytime you press the go button.

I had one of those. It was a 1960 Vauxhall Victor with intermittent braking and seemingly random steering.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

I've had both. Used to race in the SCCA and before that mini sprints. Most of my family has roots deep into turn racing. A cousin races in Nascar. 2 others race in the World of Outlaws.

But there's nothing more exhillerating than driving a car that can kill you anytime you press the go button. Many people have had good cornering cars. Heck you can buy some decent ones directly from the manufacturer. There's absolutely no excitement to that unless I'm racing.

But I build cars to blow people's doors off in roads you see on the street. Driving an SCCA car on the street is boring as hell. But take out something that'll light up the tires at 100mph on the street and that's fun. Take you're high cornering lambo's, bmw's, ferraris, etc., in every day street driving and I will embarrass them. Take those cars to a track and sure, I'll probably lose unless I changed the chassis up a bit. But for the street, a cornering car is absolutely worthless, at least in the US, where 90% of our roads you could fall asleep going 70mph on as they are all straight. I love that guy driving his ferrari that hears my exhaust as I'm creeping up next to him. Then you hear that high reving ferrari wind up and mid life crises ferrari dude's smile immediatley turns into disbelief when I happen to do the same with my car and literally watch him disappear in my rear window in a matter of seconds. That's what every day driving is. That's exhileration on a daily basis. Even funner when you blow the doors off someone driving a 9000lb diesel truck that's faster in the straight line than 99% of most production cars made. That's down right hillarious.

LOL well allow me to say that you're not much better than the "midlife crisis dudes" you boy race against
Tweaking a car's engine to make it go fast doesn't make you a good driver nor your car a good car, just something that goes very fast on a straight line, and you will always find someone who has a faster car than you.. we Europeans believe in the combination of a well balanced car and skilled driver, that's why we find your drag racing so puerile

You can have a 1000hp Ford GT which is still going to be a POS car, whilst a Ferrari, Porsche or Lambo a refined engineering marvels that outperform muscle cars easily, all you need is a bit of rain and a couple of bends and you're a spec on the rearview mirror.

Power without control is worthless to me, but then, each to their own really..

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

LOL well allow me to say that you're not much better than the "midlife crisis dudes" you boy race against
Tweaking a car's engine to make it go fast doesn't make you a good driver nor your car a good car, just something that goes very fast on a straight line, and you will always find someone who has a faster car than you.. we Europeans believe in the combination of a well balanced car and skilled driver, that's why we find your drag racing so puerile

You can have a 1000hp Ford GT which is still going to be a POS car, whilst a Ferrari, Porsche or Lambo a refined engineering marvels that outperform muscle cars easily, all you need is a bit of rain and a couple of bends and you're a spec on the rearview mirror.

Power without control is worthless to me, but then, each to their own really..

The assumption you make is that my cars won't handle. That's a typical stereotype from the European crowd who doesn't know what a real wide road is. We street race here. We do it all the time. It's also as if you assume that we build some sort of high end race motor and the suspension and chassis is what came on a factory build. As I said, I've raced in mini sprints and had an SCCA car. I know well enough about cornering. I wouldn't have the slightest worry about any junk euro supercar on the streets in the US. And me being a speck on the windshield? LOL..

The engineering thing is pretty laughable as well. I'm sure the engineering feats in being able to corner or power/weight ratio etc., surely out weigh being able to take 7500HP, and make it go 330mph in just over 3 seconds. RIIiiight!

As far as the ability to drive, you sound like someone that has never driven a fast or well performing car. It's, as I would call it "BORING AS SHIT" to drive something like an M5, CLK600 etc. I mean seriously, I would rather poke my eye balls out than drive such a travesty of absolute blah. I'm pretty sure unless you've tried to tame a 2000HP street car your silly little 200-400hp car that can only go around corners is like the equivalent to riding a bicycle to a guy like me. Please never say something as stupid as "you learn how to drive" by driving a car that corners better. You learn how to REALLY drive while driving a car that can bite you in the ass with the littlest of mistakes.

As usual on this forum, a guy that probably doesn't even own a car let alone has ever probably had a car worth racing - your 4 cylinder golf gti doesn't count, is trying to tell a gear head, a guy that drives cars with 2500hp on the street, how to drive. Please. Your little shitboxes make me laugh.

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

You can have a 1000hp Ford GT which is still going to be a POS car, whilst a Ferrari, Porsche or Lambo a refined engineering marvels that outperform muscle cars easily...

First, calling a Ford GT a muscle car is just a plain stupid thing to say.

Beyond that...

You're correct if your definition of an, "engineering marvel", is a car that requires a $5k+ engine out service every 15k miles or 3 years. Admittedly I'm not up on the newer ones so they may be a little better but, still, there's not much engineering marvel in them. They are simply race engines and suspensions with a crappy car wrapped around them. Admittedly the 328 and older are smokin' hot to look at (the newer ones are really bland IMO), but, that's about it.

GM's stock 2 liter turbo Ecotec engine has as much torque as a 3.5 liter Ferrari 355 engine. The difference is the Ecotec produces it at 2600 rpm while the Ferrari needs 6000 rpm. With a $600 ECM reflash that does not void the factory warranty the Ecotec will produce 290 bhp and 340 ft-lbs of torque (as much torque as a Ferrari 430 at less RPM).

My turbo Ecotec has 35k miles on it with no issues (although I have replaced the tires already).

Anyone can make a race engine that's design life is one race (or 15k miles at 500 miles/month) and slap it into a car with ridiculous maintenance requirements

An engineering marvel is a solid engine that lasts.

Now don't get me wrong, my next toy car will probably be a Ferrari, but, they are not, "engineering marvels", by any stretch of the imagination.

And just for the record, a Laguna Seca Mustang handles at 1.03g (as compared to the 1.02g of a 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia).

--Outlaw.

[Outlaw]

A little more on topic...

My old man had a Jaguar roadster (late '50s model I think) that was just awful. It required constant attention and maintenance. IIRC, carb. and valve adjustments were frequent issues and, of course, overheating here in the hot and humid southern US.

He did love it though until he got hauled to jail for speeding. Evidently 50mph over the speed limit was a ticket straight to jail. My grandfather on my mother's side (DETECTIVE grandfather that is) had to bail him out. The Jag was sold shortly thereafter. If he had kept it, I would have a different mother!

--Outlaw.

P.S.
Yes, he regrets pulling over but, he was afraid of breaking the car if he tried to run.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

The assumption you make is that my cars won't handle. That's a typical stereotype from the European crowd who doesn't know what a real wide road is. We street race here. We do it all the time. It's also as if you assume that we build some sort of high end race motor and the suspension and chassis is what came on a factory build. As I said, I've raced in mini sprints and had an SCCA car. I know well enough about cornering. I wouldn't have the slightest worry about any junk euro supercar on the streets in the US. And me being a speck on the windshield? LOL..

yeah I'm sure you're the new Andretti
What's your ride anyway?

The engineering thing is pretty laughable as well. I'm sure the engineering feats in being able to corner or power/weight ratio etc., surely out weigh being able to take 7500HP, and make it go 330mph in just over 3 seconds. RIIiiight!

we have jets for that, that's not driving, it's being ballast.

As far as the ability to drive, you sound like someone that has never driven a fast or well performing car.

I have, but obviously we have a different understanding and concept of "well performing car". To me a well performing car is something that has been researched on, tuned and designed to be versatile (and it's not just with euro cars, I find the Nissan GTR the most remarkable car one can buy at the moment); to you a well performing car doesn't even necessarily need a steering wheel..

It's, as I would call it "BORING AS SHIT" to drive something like an M5, CLK600 etc. I mean seriously, I would rather poke my eye balls out than drive such a travesty of absolute blah.

you didn't pick particularly nice cars, but do yourself a favour and try an Audi R8 or a Carrera GT. I would suggest you get a chance to try a Ferrari 599 XX Evo and then come back to this thread, but normally the Fezzas you get in the States are the hairdresser models, not the real deal. Uh or a Ferrari FXX.

I'm pretty sure unless you've tried to tame a 2000HP street car your silly little 200-400hp car that can only go around corners is like the equivalent to riding a bicycle to a guy like me. Please never say something as stupid as "you learn how to drive" by driving a car that corners better. You learn how to REALLY drive while driving a car that can bite you in the ass with the littlest of mistakes.

how would you know? Admittedly you only drive on a straight line with your 2000hp bathtub..
Wrestling a 2000hp car around a bend doesn't mean you're good, it means you're driving a badly balanced car conceived to do something else designed by monkeys who follow the laughable American standards of "quality" and "performance".. and talking of American standards, shall we talk about the quality of materials and finish on American cars? We'd better not..

As usual on this forum, a guy that probably doesn't even own a car let alone has ever probably had a car worth racing - your 4 cylinder golf gti doesn't count, is trying to tell a gear head, a guy that drives cars with 2500hp on the street, how to drive. Please. Your little shitboxes make me laugh.

I don't think I can teach you to drive on a straight line any better than what you already do. You see, the problem boils down to the "performance anxiety" you lot seem to suffer: you're too afraid of competing on equal levels, so you need to shelter yourself behind a "better at something" car.

I have no pretence of being good on drag racing on a 2500hp dragsters (which seems to increase in power every minute according to your descriptions) cos I've never done it, but you said you have racing experience, then I wonder how well you would perform if we raced with the same car, say that little silly Golf GTI you mentioned...








...you know how to use a manual gearbox, right?

[ATAG_Bliss]

I'm not gonna quote train and pick apart all the non sense you just typed. Do you even know what sprint cars are? Do you know what the SCCA is? You think a mustang is bathtub? You are beyond clueless. You probably don't even own a car let alone have the know how to build or fabricate something from the ground up.

You obviously aren't a car guy. We drive performance cars on the street because we like to build what manufacturers don't for some very obvious reasons. I wouldn't even think about selling something I've built to an uneducated or inexperienced driver, someone like yourself for instance. It would make them piss their pants when they pressed go button. Also, as you so adeptly seemed to miss, I could make any one of my mustangs corner well enough to keep up with just about anything ever made let alone when it went straight again. It's amazing what you can fabricate when you know what you're doing. A BSME helps, but not much. Most is learned the hard way. The whole "fun" with guys like us, guys that like to jump out of planes, and the rest of the adrenaline junkies is trying to control something that can never be controlled. Unless you're a car guy, and I mean someone that builds cars, not the douchebags that buy cars and pay some other idiot to install parts and change their oil - real passionate car guys, such as the guys on Top Gear, who know the joy in having a car you correct the steering with the gas pedal, you'll never understand.

And manual gear box? I've used anything from T45's, 3550's, Lenco CS1s 4 and 5 speeds, GF 5rs, Jericos, T5's, T56's, TKO 500s/600s, Top loaders, M22s.

I'm pretty sure I know how to shift: This was a liberty T5 (a reworked stock mustang tranny) all out of a little 302 with .500 lift, 58cc combustion chambers, dual plane intake, and a 650 holley. Basically not that far from a stocker.

http://vimeo.com/5558243


As far as my rides: Roughly 2600rwhp





I have another sn95 with 1038rwhp. Has a 331 and a single turbo. I also have another sn95 with a 342 and a T Trim - has just over 700 at the rear wheels (just bought this one and have the motor out now). My F250 diesel (what I pull the cars with makes 1400ftlbs of torque and right at 700HP at the wheels). My F150 that I just finished fabricated a turbo for (5.4L 3v) should make around 500 at the wheels still needs tuned. I have a 69 chevy C20, a 68 camaro in pieces, a 79 Chevy K20 400/400 combo, and my favorite a 79 Ford Fiesta (not festiva). Oh and I have an old squad car (2003 crown vic interceptor) I bought to do something stupid with at a later date.