Ignore the "patch" thread

[theOden]

In all honesty, it was pretty hilarious

There is no point crying over spilt milk. The patch will be out when it's out and everyone is doign the best they can. The supporters are doign a good job of filtering out the critical noise, and allowing the devs to work in peace.

Sometimes you just have to assume the best, and not the worst.

[Gamekeeper]

Prevention is always better than cure, old patch threads should have links removed or coded to be non clickable, should not be stickied and should be locked on release of later versions.

[SG1_Lud]

Originally Posted by mazex

But, like I said in another thread a bit off topic:

I do agree that it's childish, but at least Foo'bar bumped "his one" with:

"Unbelievable, all this is already 1 year ago. Feels like last month."

Which I must admit was a bit funny at least - and not pure evilness like pencons comment that was just done to confuse people into downloading it. The effect of bumping the old threads is however the same but as Foo'bar selected a date that is yet to come (4:th of may 2012 is not yet here in Sweden at least) even though there was the patch thread from the 27:th of april for him to "choose from" then as pencon had not bumped it yesterday... So - I think he did that deliberately to not fool anyone into downloading it?

EDIT:

And looking at the fact that Foo'bar has actually contributed to the actual CloD game with his marvelous trains gives him some "slack" for me at least (even though it was stupid!):

His stuff:

http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/

/Mazex

Very true.


Sorry he was banned. Most people won't want to admit that they fooled themselves (not Foo'bar) into believing it was the patch. We all are waiting and is dificult not to rush at the first sign of the first news, but it is unfair to say it was evilness, or at least is too much forgiving with oneself naiveness. I let myself being caught BTW

On a different note, I liked also Falstaff's post. Just my thoughts

S!

[_RAAF_Smouch]

Originally Posted by Hunden

OH Boy I think it was funny and distracting. I don't think it deserved a ban, he said nothing about patch being ready. Its not his fault your all patch happy. Whom ever is upset about this joke needs to get out and get a life.

[irR4tiOn4L]

I have discussed the issue in PM's with Pencon, and it was actually an accident.

Somehow, when searching for news on the patch, Pencon managed to find the old thread and installed the patch himself (oops!) and didn't realise his error (though he wondered about a lack of changes and sound bugs lol) until several PM's later.

So in fairness, it doesn't seem to have been deliberate either.

[Ataros]

It feels so good to blame and punish others for your own decisions like upgrading a PC, purchasing CloD or downloading spyware from internet. Blaming others implies that they are bad guys but I am a much better guy compared to them. This is why it feels so good. E.g. dictators like Stalin or Hitler usually blamed and executed their generals for their own mistakes.

It is much more painful to take responsibility for a mistake and admit to yourself: "I can not pay attention when needed. I can not control my anxiety. I can not clearly think when excited. I need someone else like forum members or admins to tell me what to do because I can not make responsible decisions myself. I am not a grown up man yet."

No one can "get" you to purchase a game, upgrade a PC or download a file from internet. It is always you who make a bad decision unless you have a gun pointed at your head when you make it. Children do not make their own decisions of cause as adults make them for them. Then most of children grow up and learn to take responsibility.

People get banned for posting off topic replies which is less then this.

Ataros said:

>>It feels so good to blame and punish others for your own decisions like upgrading a PC, purchasing CloD or downloading spyware from internet. Blaming others implies that they are bad guys but I am a much better guy compared to them.<<

Yes, I can relate to this. We must guard against the insidious evil within ourselves, and be kind and considerate even when it i snot always easy.

>>This is why it feels so good. E.g. dictators like Stalin or Hitler usually blamed and executed their generals for their own mistakes.<<

A good and valid analogy. Couldn't have put it better myself.

>>It is much more painful to take responsibility for a mistake and admit to yourself: "I can not pay attention when needed. I can not control my anxiety. I can not clearly think when excited. I need someone else like forum members or admins to tell me what to do because I can not make responsible decisions myself. I am not a grown up man yet."<<

Absolutely.

>>No one can "get" you to purchase a game, upgrade a PC or download a file from internet. It is always you who make a bad decision unless you have a gun pointed at your head when you make it. Children do not make their own decisions of cause as adults make them for them. Then most of children grow up and learn to take responsibility. <<

Yes.

I sense a new solidarity in this forum, and that can only be a good thing for the future. Long may it continue.

[irR4tiOn4L]

Originally Posted by Ataros

It feels so good to blame and punish others for your own decisions like upgrading a PC, purchasing CloD or downloading spyware from internet. Blaming others implies that they are bad guys but I am a much better guy compared to them. This is why it feels so good. E.g. dictators like Stalin or Hitler usually blamed and executed their generals for their own mistakes.

It is much more painful to take responsibility for a mistake and admit to yourself: "I can not pay attention when needed. I can not control my anxiety. I can not clearly think when excited. I need someone else like forum members or admins to tell me what to do because I can not make responsible decisions myself. I am not a grown up man yet."

No one can "get" you to purchase a game, upgrade a PC or download a file from internet. It is always you who make a bad decision unless you have a gun pointed at your head when you make it. Children do not make their own decisions of cause as adults make them for them. Then most of children grow up and learn to take responsibility.

I'm sorry, but while I believe that at an individual level people should indeed look long and hard at their actions and do everything they can to prevent mistakes, I also think that no one should act with malice and ill intent toward others and I don't subscribe to the kind of philosophy which tends to minimise the actions of others.

Yeah, it might sound nice to talk about liberty and agency (ignoring doubts about free will and determinism) and pretend you are an island impervious to all assault but in practice this ignores malice and ill intent on the part of others and actually CREATES SPACE for those misbehaviours.

It is both desirable in a practical sense and right that people should challenge the actions of others when malice or ill intent is suspected. It is what prevents and discourages those behaviours (alongside personal philosophies) and allows us to work toward a better world. There's nothing childish about that.

If anything is childish, it is trivialising and infantilising Hitler and Stalin. Those men did not commit the crimes that they did because they blamed others. They did so first because of profound personal corruption of their humanity and human values, and second because of certain truths about high public office that we do not like to admit (history does not always allow for being nice) and because of world views that they didn't create and we are embarressed to admit were held more widely (racism, geopolitics, our appetite for world domination).

If there's something to take out of the recurrence of war with WWII, it is not that the failure of individual men to take responsibility for their actions brings the world to calamity - it is that the failure of the collective to hold itself to account for its thoughts and actions spawns such men.

Let me ask you a question. If war is so unequivocally terrible, if it is only the deranged like Hitler and Stalin who desire it, then why are we sitting here replaying it? Part of holding yourself to account is holding yourself to account for a failure to challenge the actions of others.