The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

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Originally Posted by bongodriver

So Germany invading the rest of europe was not an act of war? I see.........

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[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

So Germany invading the rest of europe was not an act of was? I see......... so the treaty of Versaile which was drawn up after the Germans last act of aggression and subsequent defeat was just 'unfair'?, like nobody had the right to stand in their way while they did whatever they wanted, arrogant ***t's

Bongo, the Treaty of Versailles is considered THE long term cause of WW2, the impositions were just ridiculous (mostly imposed by France) and meant to humiliate a country with a glorious heritage. Try and imagine the same thing applied to Great Britain, how well you reckon things would have gone?

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Originally Posted by cheesehawk

Agreed, but Germany didn't bite, remember, it was the Allies who declared war, not Germany.

Oh they bit allright! And got thier teeth knocked out for it!

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

They just failed to see the determination the Allies had to prevent Germany from regaining it's lost territories and peoples.

They just failed to see alot of things

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

guys, there is no need to get aggressive on each other over a matter that was resolved 65 years ago.

Truth is that ignorants will be ignorants, living in England has taught me that Britons are probably one of the most stubborn populations on this planet (if not the Solar System), which is both a good and a bad thing.

Some Britons can't be objective: characters like Dowding, Harris and above all Montgomery (a pompous imbecile, nothing more nothing less) embody a military ineptitude that, again hadn't the Americans joined, would have been fatal to them. They even took the mick on their allies, but then again some justify it by saying it's the awkward British way of showing gratitude, go figure..

Montogomery I'll let you have, the rest of your statement is pure BS and you have learned nothing from us.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Bongo, the Treaty of Versailles is considered THE long term cause of WW2, the impositions were just ridiculous (mostly imposed by France) and meant to humiliate a country with a glorious heritage. Try and imagine the same thing applied to Great Britain, how well you reckon things would have gone?

Considered by whom? the Germans.......

Glorious heritage.......like what was so glorious about it we should have bowed down before the almighty Germans, delusions of grandeur? almost believing they are a master race or something.....oh wait...

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Montogomery I'll let you have, the rest of your statement is pure BS and you have learned nothing from us.

Dowding almost cost you the Battle of Britain, Harris wasted aircrews and hundreds of thousands of civilian lives with his ridiculous bombing campaign, which is regarded as a war crime and not essential to the war in the ETO.

I have learned a lot from you, I still regard your country as one of the best in the world, but people here can go to both extremes in terms of behaviour.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

So Germany invading the rest of europe was not an act of was? I see......... so the treaty of Versaile which was drawn up after the Germans last act of aggression and subsequent defeat was just 'unfair'?, like nobody had the right to stand in their way while they did whatever they wanted, arrogant ***t's

Waiiiit bit here. Back in 1939, didn't the UK back then look like this?



I will be the first to admit that I personally am very glad that the BE entered and fought this war to its end, but nothing of that fondness has anything to do with common english arguments about how it all started, the fingerpointing about baddies and egocentric breast polishing.
And do not even let me come to "agression" in WW1. In this regard the UK started histories first full blown propaganda campain against another country and that has influence to this very day.

Some of the tones in this thread, however, are uncalled for. The war ended over 60 years ago and enough blood was shed for generations. Nobody posting in this thread attacked or defended anything in WW2 or can claim for himself the deeds of his/her countrymen present or past, positive or negative, so I suggest getting the stick out from where no light goes. All for an open debate about this era in history but folks should leave those nationalistic butthurt signs at home.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Considered by whom? the Germans.......

Glorious heritage.......like what was so glorious about it we should have bowed down before the almighty Germans, delusions of grandeur? almost believing they are a master race or something.....oh wait...

You Sir are an asshole! Not more and not less!!

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Considered by whom? the Germans.......

Glorious heritage.......like what was so glorious about it we should have bowed down before the almighty Germans, delusions of grandeur? almost believing they are a master race or something.....oh wait...

No, by British and German historians alike. It's not stuff I'm making up, it's all in boring history books man.

Let's not take this to a silly level: the German empire had a long, glorious heritage, and the German pride was a transversal feeling that put together the peasant with the noble. The humiliation and the impossible economic demands of Versailles were a provocative humiliation.

from Wikipedia

Of the many provisions in the treaty, one of the most important and controversial required Germany to accept responsibility for causing the war (along with Austria and Hungary, according to the Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye and the Treaty of Trianon) and, under the terms of articles 231–248 (later known as the War Guilt clauses), to disarm, make substantial territorial concessions and pay heavy reparations to certain countries that had formed the Entente powers. The total cost of these reparations was assessed at 132 billion Marks (then $31.4 billion, £6.6 billion) in 1921 which is roughly equivalent to US $442 billion and UK £217 billion in 2011, a sum that many economists at the time, notably John Maynard Keynes, deemed to be excessive and counterproductive and would have taken Germany until 1988 to pay.[2][3] The final payments ended up being made on October 4, 2010,[4] the 20th anniversary of German reunification, and some 92 years after the end of the war for which they were exacted.[5] The Treaty was undermined by subsequent events starting as early as 1932 and was widely flouted by the mid-1930s.[6]

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

You Sir are an asshole! Not more and not less!!

So what?.........