Dear MG

[baronWastelan]

MG have already decided that "Luthier knows best".

Luthier, not the users, decides if and when to provide info, if any.

Luthier, not the users, decides if something in the game is broken or not.

Luthier, not the users, decides what fixes to provide, if any.

Some of you may consider it "arrogance", but I refrain from making any such judgments.

[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by baronWastelan

MG have already decided that "Luthier knows best".

Luthier, not the users, decides if and when to provide info, if any.

Luthier, not the users, decides if something in the game is broken or not.

Luthier, not the users, decides what fixes to provide, if any.

Some of you may consider it "arrogance", but I refrain from making any such judgments.

You, and not Luthier, decide if u gonna fly while waiting on a patch or moan in the forum.

[baronWastelan]

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by furbs

Try reading one of your own posts Blackdog

Oh i do, i proof read them a couple of times before hitting the submit button

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by yellonet

Again. Why do you need a roadmap and situation updates?
It's not like you have stock in the company, is it?
And I hope you're not planning your life around this...
And while it would be nice, I don't see it as a must to know exactly what they are doing at the moment, I know that they are fixing the game and that's enough.

So tell me, why MG should take time off their work to post in the forum?
Just to appease a handful of people that for some reason feel that they've been cheated and can't play it cool?
And no, it doesn't take just a few minutes, because they have to consider what and how to communicate as it is official communications from developer to customer, they probably don't want to blurp out just anything.

If you really want proper communication you should probably write a letter or at least an e-mail to the publisher, not post on a forum of the developer.

Obviously you never worked in a professional environment. Any serious team working on a project needs a "to-do" list, tasks assigned to people, and a road map that helps them (and the people they're reporting to) to assess the situation, extrapolating a bullet point list from that is a 10 mins job. And yes, Luthier doesn't HAVE to report here, but it's advisable he would, if anything cos he's been doing it constantly before, often taking the PR role when Oleg was fed up. As I mentioned before, this silence and lack of patches is probably just because they haven't quite managed to fix the important stuff yet, but they never openly admitted that they delivered us an incomplete product, nor gave us a rough estimate of when/how things will be fixed.

It's like buying a new car that promises a lot but that doesn't work properly, and hearing once every three months from the dealer "yeah, we're working on it buddy, don't worry" and receiving pictures of mechanics working on random stuff (like someone else's car).. If you can't see the whole situation as utterly ridiculous then you're probably blind.

[kendo65]

This forum is in danger of disappearing into the hole that SimHQ's COD forum was in 3 months ago - no discussion of anything useful, just a continuous battle between defenders and attackers.

I have complaints about the game myself, but it must surely be obvious now after weeks of rehashing exactly the same argument in many different threads that we are just going around in circles. There is NO facet of the argument that has not been covered again and again in the last weeks. There has been no resolution or advance made from any of it. There is justification for expressing your opinion - but after you have expressed it for the 20th, 30th or 40th time it may be clever to conclude that you have got the message across. Some people are behaving like petulant 6 year olds - they'll hold their breath and turn blue until they get an answer...

For whatever reason the devs are not biting. They have obviously made a decision to refrain from commenting in the current climate. I can see both sides here - I'd like some info myself, but I completely understand why Luthier would feel reluctant to post much here because unless he can produce an update that fixes everything in one fell swoop it will just lead to more negativity and attacks.

SimHQ seem to have resolved their issues by splitting the forum in two. Maybe, as some have suggested, the same needs to happen here. But surely, by now, we all can see that the arguing is going around in circles and not achieving anything?

[JimmyBlonde]

Okay,

You want updates, that's fair enough and I can relate to that.

But come on guys, it's summer. Let the devs have their vacation and go outside for some sun yourselves. Go chase the girls around and ask them if they want to come home and see your model planes.

Then come back when the devs have had a break and are all fired up to get cracking on the next patch.

They'll be back, don't panic.

[scotchegg]

OP: you were actively whining in another post of exactly the same nature last week.

Jesus Christ, the Devs are aware of your request but can't answer it for whatever reason.

Either move on and stop clogging the forums up with your irritating whinges, or send the Devs PMs so the rest of us don't have to put up with them.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by kendo65

I can see both sides here - I'd like some info myself, but I completely understand why Luthier would feel reluctant to post much here because unless he can produce an update that fixes everything in one fell swoop it will just lead to more negativity and attacks.

you see Kendo, this is exactly the point. First of all, Luthier himself is the only person responsible for this, since he's the one that went silent and didn't bother listening to the wise bunch of forum members who say "we know you can't fix it all in one go, fair enough, but for pete's sake keep us updated on what's happening, if anything to show some respect to people that have waited for this and supported your work for years".

The reality of software houses nowadays is one of extreme interaction potential: the reach out for info, documents, manuals, pictures etc is virtually limitless, using this potential is something that could achieve great, great results. I personally provided docs to Oleg himself during the early dev stages of CoD, found some more material for a friend at Daidalos, got in contact with museums, found pics, documents, with no need for compensations or recognitions, just for the sake of the sim's quality.

A development team that doesn't interact with the community, esp in the field of simulation, is a team that will make mistakes, which then will take time to fix. Oleg's leaving was already a bad sign, but I thought I'd stop being pessimistic, if anything it was Luthier the one that kept the communication channel opened, but this new attitude of theirs shows only poor managerial skills, it's a true shame, above all the fact that no matter how often we tell them "hey, some of us can help with our competence for free", they simply don't care.

And please remember that I still really really hope to be wrong.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by kendo65

This forum is in danger of disappearing into the hole that SimHQ's COD forum was in 3 months ago - no discussion of anything useful, just a continuous battle between defenders and attackers.

I have complaints about the game myself, but it must surely be obvious now after weeks of rehashing exactly the same argument in many different threads that we are just going around in circles. There is NO facet of the argument that has not been covered again and again in the last weeks. There has been no resolution or advance made from any of it. There is justification for expressing your opinion - but after you have expressed it for the 20th, 30th or 40th time it may be clever to conclude that you have got the message across. Some people are behaving like petulant 6 year olds - they'll hold their breath and turn blue until they get an answer...

For whatever reason the devs are not biting. They have obviously made a decision to refrain from commenting in the current climate. I can see both sides here - I'd like some info myself, but I completely understand why Luthier would feel reluctant to post much here because unless he can produce an update that fixes everything in one fell swoop it will just lead to more negativity and attacks.

SimHQ seem to have resolved their issues by splitting the forum in two. Maybe, as some have suggested, the same needs to happen here. But surely, by now, we all can see that the arguing is going around in circles and not achieving anything?

This posting was made July 20, 2011

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=24692

The information provided is the information the devs wanted to provide.