P-51 Fuel Tank needs fixed! Please !Do not leave it broken!

[ramstein]

Originally Posted by ruxtmp

Ramstein is as Lt. Gen. Russel Honore would say "Stuck on stupid".

These last posts are the ones that try to turn it into a circus. get over it, I know it bothers you guys to think an extremely valuable allied plane could be fixed, yet you come here to demand it left broken. It is broken, yet you guys demand it needs to be be left broken. What part of 'the fuselage tank absoltely needs to drain first, not last' is too much for your brains to handle? I find it astounding you guys still come here to not only demand it left be broken, but the insults continue to fly at me. I am being called stupid here by some gas bag.... How about letting people who fly this sim ask a fair question and ask that the broken plane be fixed. What skin is it off your nose? Why do you guys (It appears some of you are from Eastern Europe) have some venom and hate for us in the West? Why do you refuse to fix our planes? Do you get off on figting crippled allied planes? Sick bastages..

[ramstein]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

Does the Fw190A-8 model its aux tank in Il-2?

If so, then I hear no complaints about CG problems with it.

ramstein, how do expect Maddox Games to model the aux tank fuel being used first in the P-51 when the 'fuel tank' is modelled as ONE mass?

I for one have no problem 'flying' the P51 with full tanks or not. Adjusting the joystick makes a big difference. It is not a Pitts Special.

During Bodenplatte some P-51s took off with full tanks while the airfield was under attack and had some nice success with several kills. They had no problem flying the P-51, so why are you?

What a load... first of all, the P51 tank that is modelled completely wrong is not an auxillery tank... Pull your head out... you just jumped in here ot make this thread into a circus... The tank on your precious luftwhiner planes has nothing ot do with the fuselage tank in a P51. It is part of the plane and was puposely not filled of half filled and immediately switched on and emptied first before any manuevers could be made...


Thi has nothing to do with your freeeking German planes! Un-freeeking believable... you guys still pull these crap posts disrupting a serious P51 is broked thread.. why the hell do you guys attempt to destroy this thread with stupid statements? Why??? My guess is people like you just sit in your chair with no clue about the real worrld, see an American wanting an American planes correctly modelled and decide I want to screw around an American.

[ruxtmp]

Originally Posted by ramstein

These last posts are the ones that try to turn it into a circus. get over it, I know it bothers you guys to think an extremely valuable allied plane could be fixed, yet you come here to demand it left broken. It is broken, yet you guys demand it needs to be be left broken. What part of 'the fuselage tank absoltely needs to drain first, not last' is too much for your brains to handle? I find it astounding you guys still come here to not only demand it left be broken, but the insults continue to fly at me. I am being called stupid here by some gas bag.... How about letting people who fly this sim ask a fair question and ask that the broken plane be fixed. What skin is it off your nose? Why do you guys (It appears some of you are from Eastern Europe) have some venom and hate for us in the West? Why do you refuse to fix our planes? Do you get off on figting crippled allied planes? Sick bastages..

I rest my case

First of all I am an American and I have absolutely no issue with your request, it seems valid, but your approach may be flawed. So I will attempt to pull your head out of your butt.
1. Find out exactly where Oleg modeled the CoG on the P-51
2. If he modeled it at a position that represents a full tank including the auxillary than continue to step three.
3. Unstick your head from your butt and understand that CoG on all aircraft modeled does not shift as fuel weight changes.
4. Request that the P-51 be modeled with the CoG at a point where the auxillary tank is empty and give up the associated weight and range provided by the extra fuel. Or have all aircraft remodeled with multiple tanks that effect the CoG as they drain in a specified order.
5. Cross your fingers and hope it happens.
6. Be ready to be berated as all other planes suffer/benefit from their CoG not changing due to fuel usage and people will want them changed also (unless multiple tanks and CoG shift is added)
7. Understand that this is a simple video game that will never be able to represent the fidelity of flight, especially at the edge of an aircraft's envelope.
8. Don't whine like a sissy when you do not get your way. Life is short and from the attitude of your posts it appears that it may suck.
9. Go out and rent a glider for a day and enjoy the true feeling of flight, it is much better than getting your panties bundled up due to the placement of the P-51's CoG.

[123-Wulf-123]

Holy Crap, I thought this bullshit was over with weeks ago. Does Ramstein not COMPREHEND what he is being told?

Why does he have this racist attitude in his posts as if the bloody war was still being fought?

What has where anyone lives in the world got to do with a flying GAME which has little aircraft from many countries available to fly, all of which have their own peculiarities thanks to the hard work of OM?

Why does this idiot think that in a GAME he is going to completely replicate his own FANTASY beliefs and perceptions rather than the generally perceived REALITIES of the flight models as interpreted by professional aero engineers with a touch more credibility than some whiny ass whinger who probably thinks tHe pOny Wun the Warz?

The Pony in game, flown CORRECTLY is almost UNTOUCHABLE.

It is NOT a dogfighter nor was it designed to be so...it doesn't fly like in the kiddy comics he reads, so he's just going to have to grow up and get over it

[Jutocsa]

Originally Posted by ramstein

Why do you guys (It appears some of you are from Eastern Europe) have some venom and hate for us in the West? Why do you refuse to fix our planes? Do you get off on figting crippled allied planes? Sick bastages..

And here we go again..good ole' Rammstein_USA with his trademark, name calling, racist remarks to Eastern-Europe, and the blind faith that his cause is ruined by anyone else but himself and his arrogant attitude
Mind you...this forum is also Eastern-European, being Russian
Mind you, some of us would have possibly supported your case, havent you presented it with such an attitude.
Simple questions, so that you understand:

Do you really think anyone who doesnt care about P-51, hates Allied planes
Do you really think anyone who doesnt like your style at all, hates "the West"
Do you really think communists still rule Eastern Europe Because besides the hatred that shows in all your posts, you seem to be living in the sixties, with an unhealthy amount of paranoia...

Edit: I also would like to ask why did you went at Ubi into two different threads about the upcoming 3rd party Slovak map, ranting and bítching on those who unlike you actually did something for this sim ?

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by ramstein

What a load... first of all, the P51 tank that is modelled completely wrong is not an auxillery tank... Pull your head out... you just jumped in here ot make this thread into a circus... The tank on your precious luftwhiner planes has nothing ot do with the fuselage tank in a P51. It is part of the plane and was puposely not filled of half filled and immediately switched on and emptied first before any manuevers could be made...

The only one turning this thread and every other thread you have started on the P-51 was turned into a circus act is you!!!!

Would say someone has an inferiority complex from the blathering rants he posts.

Nitpick on a word all you want but even the Mustang manual calls it an AUXILIARY fuselage tank.

[ramstein]

You are a liar, you have harassed me since day one... in the Ubi zoo ,, the only reason why you even came to the p51 thread was to turn it freeeking circus

Originally Posted by Jutocsa

And here we go again..good ole' Rammstein_USA with his trademark, name calling, racist remarks to Eastern-Europe, and the blind faith that his cause is ruined by anyone else but himself and his arrogant attitude
Mind you...this forum is also Eastern-European, being Russian
Mind you, some of us would have possibly supported your case, havent you presented it with such an attitude.
Simple questions, so that you understand:

Do you really think anyone who doesnt care about P-51, hates Allied planes
Do you really think anyone who doesnt like your style at all, hates "the West"
Do you really think communists still rule Eastern Europe Because besides the hatred that shows in all your posts, you seem to be living in the sixties, with an unhealthy amount of paranoia...

Edit: I also would like to ask why did you went at Ubi into two different threads about the upcoming 3rd party Slovak map, ranting and bítching on those who unlike you actually did something for this sim ?

[ramstein]

Again, the fuselage tank drains first.... and the weight of the tank screws the whole FM making it totally unstable... (those are/were the real life Flight models of the P51) not these broken planes were were left with..

fix the Freeking Tank! Stop making space ships for the luftwhiners.. Geesus H. freeking christ wtf is wrong with some of you people???

the luftwhiners who demand that American planes be broken so they do not get hurt feelings when an American plane is modelled correctly!!




you guys are some of the most twisted evil people I have ever met, and I have been around...


Wtf other reason could there be for keeping the P51 Broken?

If is is not fixed in BOB addons, or whenever they add the P51 to BOB, BOB will be a failure for the American market..

I am pretty damned sure the British will be pissed off too since they also flew it.. go ahead and screw it again.,,, see what happens..


for you nincompoops to keep arguing to leave it broken is so exhausing, so stupid, so arrogant..

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

The only one turning this thread and every other thread you have started on the P-51 was turned into a circus act is you!!!!

Would say someone has an inferiority complex from the blathering rants he posts.

Nitpick on a word all you want but even the Mustang manual calls it an AUXILIARY fuselage tank.

[ramstein]

One more thing, those that have harassed me,, don't ever talk to me or fly with me... I won't take your shit... you truly are the worst mankind has to offer..

[ruxtmp]

Originally Posted by ramstein

Again, the fuselage tank drains first.... and the weight of the tank screws the whole FM making it totally unstable... (those are/were the real life Flight models of the P51) not these broken planes were were left with..

fix the Freeking Tank! Stop making space ships for the luftwhiners.. Geesus H. freeking christ wtf is wrong with some of you people???

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Ramstein,
Everyone including the game designer has said the following.

ALL PLANES HAVE ONE FUEL TANK MODELED and CENTER OF GRAVITY DOES NOT CHANGE AS FUEL IS DEPLETED.

So in response to your theory that the fuselage tank drains first I request you read the following a few times slowly and word for word so it sinks in.

THERE IS NO AUX TANK OR FUSELAGE TANK JUST AN IMAGINARY SINGLE TANK ON TOP OF THE CENTER OF GRAVITY. THIS SINGLE TANK DRAINS FROM ENGINE START TO ENGINE STOP IT IS THE FIRST TO DRAIN AND ALSO THE LAST. AT NO TIME DOES THE CENTER OF GRAVITY CHANGE AS THE IMAGINARY FUEL TANK DRAINS. THIS APPLIES TO ALL PLANES IN THE GAME INCLUDING LUFTWHINER SPACE SHIPS AND ALLIED UBERPLANES.

What part of this concept can you not get a grasp on?

Now just out of curiosity has anyone ever been able to determine where 1C models the CoG on the P-51 and other aircraft? Since it does not change as fuel is used did they model it at the max T/O weight position or some other arbitrary spot?