Tactics for Cliffs of Dover.

[SlipBall]

Quote ElAurens
We also must assume that Jerry will not fly historically, but will pretend it's 1944. So, they will not stay with the bombers, they will not engage in low level turn fights, and in short they will be the buzz killers we know them to be



Jerry will have maybe 15 minutes of fuel to play with. So I think players will be forced to fly historically...of course there may be the unlimited fuel option chosen, but then what fun would that be.

[JG52Uther]

I can't wait to find myself halfway across the channel,with my fuel light on!

[Sven]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

I can't wait to find myself halfway across the channel,with my fuel light on!

haha classic! I think there's going to be lots of those situations when I find my self in a dogfight, start gaining control, only to return when I see the fuel gauge dropping dangerously low

[Richie]

Totally forget about London and plug your ears when you hear Goring. This time Molders is running the show!


By the way here's a very ...different documentary on The Battle Of Britain. 109 pilots will love! Click on the youtube logo on the lower right hand corner and watch all 6 parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDDeLRy7UM0

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by lane

Actually Steinhilper wrote (page 330 of my copy of his book): “The Me 109 E 4 was capable of reaching 10,000 metres (32,800 ft) with the Mk I Spitfire at a comparable 10,3363 (typo) metres(34,000 ft), but the new Mk IIs soared up to 11,340 metres (37,200 ft.) This gave a tactical advantage of 1,340 metres or 4,300 ft to the Spitfires.”

Checked! You're correct!

[DKoor]

Originally Posted by csThor

It'll be what I've seen in virtually any flightsim I've played online ... clouds of dweebs upping from Hawkinge/Manston and Calais-Marck gangbanging it out at 500 feet in the middle of the Channel.

If you seek historical gameplay online be prepared to seek for like-minded folks with magnifying glasses. You won't find it on standard servers.

Quoted for truth.

I don't really get where the optimistic people in this regard find their optimism.

Heck, after all these years you'd think people would know better than to fly on arcade quake shoot em all servers.

Just to be sure those "realistic" quakes aren't any better either, instead of noobs they are just filled with snobs.

And unless something epic happens and 1C makes some realistic mod of playing somehow attractive, quakes will continue to rule.

[DKoor]

Originally Posted by Sven

haha classic! I think there's going to be lots of those situations when I find my self in a dogfight, start gaining control, only to return when I see the fuel gauge dropping dangerously low

[Related to my previous post,] that scenario may interest you, me and few other die hards, but I assure you over 90% players don't want to fly 50-60 minutes for 5-10 minutes of action. And we are talking best case scenario because if you don't find anyone to shoot in those 10mins, and you most likely wont since there will probably be no organized groups of 20, 30+ players that will fly in packs and you can spot em from miles away, you must turn back and RTB. Sounds great! Especially when repeated.

I predict some kind of spawn 5 mins from target are or something... and that to be extremely popular option.

PS. sorry for my pessimism.

[major_setback]

Hide behind the cliffs!

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by Richie

Totally forget about London and plug your ears when you hear Goring. This time Molders is running the show!

“Are you spreading sedition and rumours about the competency of your leaders? Your conduct is unbefitting of an officer in the victorious Luftwaffe!
You are hereby stripped of all rank and privileges and will be held under armed guard until morning when you will be taken from this place and shot as is befitting of the traitorous dog you are!”

I doubt COD will allow 100% realism on its servers!

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Sven

You don't get the bigger picture, we plan our attack set up attack routes, we don't inform the enemy where we will be, and we don't know where they will be, the only thing the Allies get is an approximate attack grid which they received from the radar stations

I completely get that, sounds good. However, when doing that, the 109 pilots know that the best way to defend their bombers is to fly above them, not at the same altitude and speed, which is what did happen. And consequently, I imagine you guys will fly as you know you should, rather than as was done in the war. If you deliberately fly poor tactics, and lose, you'll get frustrated with it (poor tactics might be fine for the odd battle creation, but annoying if it's all you did).

Lets keep this civil.

I'm not attacking you at all.

Originally Posted by Ernst

By the way reds speak here BoB was a Turkey Shot where RAF massacrated the Luftwaffe.

Not at all, there are also comments like this that suggest the opposite:

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

I expect the RAF to fly hugely outnumbered,in tight VIC formation (known to amused LW pilots as the 'Idioten reihe') and have a 'sitting duck' weaver flying around behind them...

Originally Posted by Ernst

Poor ones the main reason RAF was not ripped from the sky was because a change in Strategy, withdrawing the pressure over the RAF, pilots and airfields to the useless bombings of London.

Actually I think that's missinformation. How many airfields were ever out of action, and of those, how many for more than a day? I think the answer to the second question is none. The Germans under-estimated the RAF's resources, and the RAF were never actually close to losing the battle.

BoB had no winners, luftwaffe just withdraw because the Operation Barbarossa was to begin.

The RAF shot down a lot more planes and lost a lot less pilots, and prevented the Germans from invading. That was what they were supposed to do. The Germans were supposed to clear the way for an invasion, and they failed. Of course there was a winner. Suggesting that the Germans were just a bit too busy is school kid stuff - 'oh, we would win but can't be bothered'. The Germans were busy fighting on other fronts, but that's war.

Luftwaffe crushed the RAF at Malta for two times and then withdraw because the fighters was needed in some other place. The things only changed when americans came with massive long range fighters.

Firstly, what's Malta got to do with the Battle of Britain? Secondly, Malta was a long way from Britain and difficult to defend, and while Germany and Italy planned to take it (land invasion), they failed. How is that crushing the RAF? Again, needing their fighters elsewhere is part of the problem when they keep getting shot down. I assume you mention US fighters regarding the war in general, not in Malta.