Pony talk - Page 4

Bearcat · #31 10-22-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by T.}{.O.R.

Never use drop tanks with the Pony in IL2. They will add some drag even after you release them. 50% fuel is more than plenty for an hour of flight time, and I am not talking cruising speeds. With 25% you can stay airborne over 30 min, and with proper fuel and engine management way longer than that.
Just like you said... To me, it seems P-51 is properly modeled - as if you would drain your center fuel tank last, which was never done and actually prohibited. This tank was custom fitted in the field (correct me if I am wrong) and drastically changed Mustang's center of gravity. Hence the 'Mustang' name, stalling and everything else. IL2 doesn't model COG changes and it is my belief that with this COG the P-51D we have in game is modeled.
I am not sure about the difference between C/B and D models as you say. I found them equally 'difficult' to fly.
May Oleg and others prove me wrong.
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I had no problems flying this thing online. It did took me a long time to master the 'Stang, but in the end I taught myself discipline that I couldn't achieve with any other plane.

I think it is a little unstable.. but like most aircraft in the sim.. it is what it is and you have to learn to fly that.. not what the historic accounts say.. but I do think it is just a little too twitchy.. Sometimes it is like trying to balance a ruler on a pencil.. The P-40 is much more stable and the MKIII IMO is more accurate than any of them.

IceFire · #32 10-22-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

I think it is a little unstable.. but like most aircraft in the sim.. it is what it is and you have to learn to fly that.. not what the historic accounts say.. but I do think it is just a little too twitchy.. Sometimes it is like trying to balance a ruler on a pencil.. The P-40 is much more stable and the MKIII IMO is more accurate than any of them.

Didn't one of the MOD folks mention that there is a small mistake in the P-51D's FM values (something about length) and that may be causing the issues with the D that the other versions don't have?

T}{OR · #33 10-22-2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by IceFire

Didn't one of the MOD folks mention that there is a small mistake in the P-51D's FM values (something about length) and that may be causing the issues with the D that the other versions don't have?

Firs I've heard. Do tell...

IceFire · #34 10-22-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by T.}{.O.R.

Firs I've heard. Do tell...

It was posted at "the site that shall not be named" at one point

I don't know much more about it but I filed it away in my brain with all of the other useless bits of information that I have stored away up there

T}{OR · #35 10-22-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by IceFire

It was posted at "the site that shall not be named" at one point

I don't know much more about it but I filed it away in my brain with all of the other useless bits of information that I have stored away up there

Than we shall not speak a word of it again.

Tempest123 · #36 10-22-2010, 03:42 PM

Yeah, my general point was why is the mk iii stable and decent to fly while the D is more unstable and tricky. The D should be an improvement (btw i know thé mk III has more boost but thats not the issue)

ElAurens · #37 10-22-2010, 04:36 PM

The D airframe's length is too short in the FM numbers. By around a foot as I recall.

Historically the early D production blocks were indeed more unstable owing to the loss of fuselage area that was cut down to make it a bubble top. The later blocks had the new tail fillet that attempted to cure the problem. The early blocks had the fillet applied in the field.

Tempest123 · #38 10-23-2010, 07:17 PM

You can see the length error in the Object viewer, the razorback mustangs are all 9.83m (the correct length), whereas the D is listed as 9.38m. Not sure if this translates into the FM though, anyone know?

JtD · #39 10-23-2010, 08:17 PM

Same there, this is what gives a D a _slightly_ smaller stability. It's a known bug.

Madfish · #40 10-23-2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JtD

Same there, this is what gives a D a _slightly_ smaller stability. It's a known bug.

If it really affects the FM shouldn't the D model then turn better and be more agile? I don't think it's that simple to say "this is a bug which makes the plane worse". In fact, if it would really affect the FM it might be a bug that compensates the plane only real weakness, no?