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Old 05-07-2010, 01:43 PM
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Maybe the intent is to remind the Russian people what they so bravely stood against and suffered immensely for, more than any other allied nation. For that, Russia will always have my respect.
Of course... but I don't respect Russia for that.. I only respect the people living in Russia in those times.

Here in Italy I listen many guys proud of our past (the Roman Empire, the Renaissance ect...) but I keep thinking that WE people of the present have not done anything to be proud of. Conversely today's Italy is a s**t country, ruled by s**t politics (probably only the 10% of them are honest) and populated by s**t people stabbing each other for their own profit.

So I see humanity as a bunch of single human beings: there are no cities, there are no countries.. there are "you" and me: I respect you for that you have to say, not for the place you live.
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A whole generation of pilots learned to treasure the Spitfire for its delightful response to aerobatic manoeuvres and its handiness as a dogfighter. Iit is odd that they had continued to esteem these qualities over those of other fighters in spite of the fact that they were of only secondary importance tactically.Thus it is doubly ironic that the Spitfire’s reputation would habitually be established by reference to archaic, non-tactical criteria.

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Old 05-07-2010, 02:19 PM
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I must say this game has me more interested in history than ever before. After flying around in these awesome IL2 planes, I have a new found respect for history's pilots. There is no doubt these games can inspire you to pick up books for research and understanding.

From my own American standpoint, you don't get a real appreciation for some of history's battles and sacrifices until you have flown a simulation in a F4F against 100 enemy planes in formation over Midway or Dive-bombed the Akagi though a hail of flak and zeros....or flown over the English channel in a Hurricane against waves of 110s and 109s ....

Unlike some books or movies, there's no romanticism from the victors up in the simulator. You can clearly experience the epic power of the Luftwaffe or the Japanese as the war played out and really appreciate the skill, persistence and SACRIFICE it took to defeat these powers.

You can see by the comments in this thread that people need to learn and understand their history. If simulators let you walk the shoes of those involved, one hopes you come away from the experience with a new respect and understanding for those involved. It certainly worked for me.

Much respect

Thanks Oleg
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:23 PM
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What do you have to do to get the status of a superpower? Usually act like a jerk, make a mess of other countries and then address them in a condescending way (and get away with it by having more guns). IMHO, the United States, Great Britain and Russia have all been superpowers at some point or another
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Old 05-07-2010, 04:13 PM
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I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I read the "patriotism" and "falsifications of history" part.

I'm sure Putin Jugend crowd would love a game like that nevertheless.
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Old 05-07-2010, 04:42 PM
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Well I hear Burnt by the Sun 2 was a huge flop in Russian cinemas recently. The public aren't too enthusiastic about anything too official in the cultural realm.

Just about every industrialised country has incentives and tax breaks for cultural works of different sorts. The press release at the top of the thread could easily be a grant application to the film board of any number of countries. I did smile a bit at 'falsifiers of history'. When did they stop being 'bourgeois'?

Some of the replies in this thread (and one or two others recently) are way over the top. I don't see anything in this to justify mindless abuse of anybody's country. One or two posters seem to be on the look out for any excuse... not nice.
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Old 05-07-2010, 05:57 PM
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Software company 1C is asking the state for 500 million rubles ($16.8 million) to create a computer game simulator that will educate youth in patriotism, modernize the economy and rebuff those trying to falsify history.

The Communications and Press Ministry and 1C have jointly prepared a proposal for the creation of a series of military game simulators, a document that was prepared for a meeting of the presidential commission for modernizing the economy on April 29, a ministry official said. It wasn't presented, but the issue was discussed, he said, adding that 1C chief executive Boris Nuraliyev had demonstrated an aviation simulator to President Dmitry Medvedev.

The project's cost is 720 million rubles, according to the presentation. The Communications and Press Ministry is asking for 500 million rubles from the government, while 1C will come up with 200 million rubles and 20 million rubles will come from the Khanty-Mansiisk autonomous district, which is an initiator of the project, the official said.

The development of the core of the simulator will cost $5 million to $10 million, said Sergei Orlovsky, founder of Nival Network. Each game based on that engine will run an additional $1 million to $2 million.

The project needs state financing because it aims to stimulate high-tech production and create a product for export, while at the same time using the groundwork laid by the project to create a simulator for teaching pilots.

The goal of the project is to foster a sense of patriotism in children and shut out falsifications of history, the ministry official said. The project could be approved at the next modernization commission meeting, which will be dedicated to the development of Russian video games, said an official close to the leadership of the presidential commission.

The parameters of the project and state support are still being worked out, said an official in the presidential administration. The project is now being finalized, the ministry official said.

The project is interesting, but it is unclear whether state support is needed, presidential aide Arkady Dvorkovich said.

The project will become profitable within four years, its authors said. Sales are projected at 10 million copies, and the share of Russian games on the domestic market will grow 10 percent.

The secret to the project's success is 1C's experience in developing training simulators. The company's Il-2 Shturmovik game is one of the 25 best games ever, according to Imagine Games Network. It has been translated into 11 languages, and 1.3 million copies have been sold.

Representatives for 1C declined to comment.
A lot of incorrect info, beginneing fromn Il-2 amount of sold

It is leaked info with great distoritions.

It isn't a project yet.

Government people found that Il-2 is modeling a lot of things, not just ruissian front. Just htink about it... They evaluated version 1946... if to speak about overmodelled things... Now think twice: There is no speech about SoW. Nothing.

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Old 05-07-2010, 06:09 PM
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Well I hear Burnt by the Sun 2 was a huge flop in Russian cinemas recently. The public aren't too enthusiastic about anything too official in the cultural realm.
The film is incorrect in many things. In myu opinion - wrong fiolm from historical representation. Even my wife had dual opinion... about story line - like, about how other things are prepresent (read historical) - something close to the words very bad.

In Russia and (really in world at the moment) in fligth sims the WWII theme is doing just one team - it our team.
The goal is to make everything not overwritten and most possible correct.
The main principle - to do not rewrite history that we may see in some other games, books, etc. That is not only about western, but Russian modern production as well.
The main thing and my goal - gameplay should represent as more real things, as it is possible. This is about amount, technical parameters of units, etc...
Il-2 set the first such parameters in the word. Sow series shoulkd rise its bar mor higher.
I think you like Il-2 not for the nice graphics and amount of aircraft. But how it is done in priciple.

My English isn't perfect, but I hope you all understand what I mean.
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Old 05-07-2010, 06:40 PM
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I think we can understand you well, Oleg. Thanks for the clarification.

And I for one totally agree with your approach, and your principles.
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Old 05-07-2010, 08:21 PM
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Thank you Oleg for clarifying, but if the money is needed I still think it’s a god idea for the government to lend a helping hand. The benefits will be mutual for enterprise and nation.
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:16 PM
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I wish 1c and OM all the money they need to produce the best flightsim ever!
As long as they can keep OM's principles as told before.
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