Cliffs of Dover, a Year Later

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by taildraggernut

Interesting....yet when Philiped criticised Chivas for his spelling you made no such attempt to nobly defend him.....I don't know Chivas but there is a chance English is not his first language, but I guess you nobly decided to keep quiet about that because Philiped is 'on your side'.......sniff....sniff....you smell that?.......smells like hypocricy.

Did you read my post? I stated that My 'jab' was purely to show how people in glass houses should not throw stones. I wasn't trying to upset: merely to offer an element of neutrality. Yes, the element is minimal. But I'm old enough to deal with that.

Whether you like it or not, all that Flastaff was doing was showing that David can be horrible (with intent) and Chivas acts as though he has some inside-knowledge which transcends anyone else's. It's not a case of logic: it's guesswork behind the facade of fact.

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by insuber

"darling, it's midnight, aren't you coming to bed tonight?"
"just a minute mary, someone is wrong on the internet!"

roflmao

[taildraggernut]

I'm pretty certain nobody here is actually trying to 'upset' anybody, but sadly it all becomes a 'side effect' of this constant and futile bickering, I mean seriously.....complaining about complaining about the complainers?

[taildraggernut]

Whether you like it or not, all that Flastaff was doing was showing that David can be horrible (with intent) and Chivas acts as though he has some inside-knowledge which transcends anyone else's. It's not a case of logic: it's guesswork behind the facade of fact.

All that Falstaff was doing was pointless, nobody needs anybody else here to shows us how people behave, were all quite capable of seeing things for ourselves, when it comes to 'glass houses' even you have some shaky ground to stand on, I have seen you be less than pleasant to other forum users.

[Red Dragon-DK]

It would be nice if we go back on tropic.

Thank you.

[taildraggernut]

Originally Posted by Red Dragon-DK

It would be nice if we go back on tropic.

Thank you.

it would be nicer if there 'was' a topic, everything after Luthiers post is totally irrelevant, endless pages of 'thanks' or 'why did you release it unfinished my life is over!!' etc etc.

But just for the hell of it, COD 1 year later....woohooo! I survived, I paid for the game and I can still afford to eat, now pull your fingers out and get this damn thing sorted.

[Chivas]

I've been following the new series closely since it was first mentioned, and from the developers own posts I have a good idea what they're is trying to achieve. Yes the developer has yet to achieve many of those goals, and the forced unfinished release certainly points that out in spades. IMHO as long as the development is still working there is a chance those goals will be realized and features they've never even considered could be developed before the series is done.

Falstaff likes to suggest that I pass myself off as having insider information, when its only info the developer has supplied in past, on what they are trying to achieve. Anyone with a modicum of common sense would know that. I'm just like everyone else here speculating on the future of the sim, based on their information. The majority of my posts don't comply with Falstaff negative point of view, and he responds negatively.

People like Falstaff only have negative points to make on the new series. When someone suggests something positive like, the developer has a history of developing and finishing their projects, he suggests thats not possible because it isn't the same development crew. Well the fact is, its still basically the same development crew, that has had a few additions, and subtractions in the last five years, just as many successful business have.

I have alot of respect for the development crew and have enjoyed their work for the last eleven years and hope their latest project is successful. I have no respect for people like Falstaff who tout their own knowledge about how a development should work and continually craps on a developer who is actually in the process of accomplishing something.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Chivas

I've been following the new series closely since it was first mentioned, and from the developers own posts I have a good idea what they're is trying to achieve. Yes the developer has yet to achieve many of those goals, and the forced unfinished release certainly points that out in spades. IMHO as long as the development is still working there is a chance those goals will be realized and features they've never even considered could be developed before the series is done.

Falstaff likes to suggest that I pass myself off as having insider information, when its only info the developer has supplied in past, on what they are trying to achieve. Anyone with a modicum of common sense would know that. I'm just like everyone else here speculating on the future of the sim, based on their information. The majority of my posts don't comply with Falstaff negative point of view, and he responds negatively.

People like Falstaff only have negative points to make on the new series. When someone suggests something positive like, the developer has a history of developing and finishing their projects, he suggests thats not possible because it isn't the same development crew. Well the fact is, its still basically the same development crew, that has had a few additions, and subtractions in the last five years, just as many successful business have.

I have alot of respect for the development crew and have enjoyed their work for the last eleven years and hope their latest project is successful. I have no respect for people like Falstaff who tout their own knowledge about how a development should work and continually craps on a developer who is actually in the process of accomplishing something.

+1 Well said.

Watching these forums for so many years can give you a good feel for where we're heading - if we give the devs a chance to put things right. I strongly believe they have a passion for what they're doing and will deliver a product that will be played and admired for years to come. While the team remains committed to the series they will have my full support. Negativity achieves absolutely nothing.

Chivas said:

>>I've been following the new series closely since it was first mentioned, <<

You're not the only one. Plenty of us have. It does not by itself grant you any credentials.

>>and from the developers own posts I have a good idea what they're is trying to achieve.<<

So have we all. And how much have they achieved of those stated goals?

>>Yes the developer has yet to achieve many of those goals<<

You don't say.

>>and the forced unfinished release certainly points that out in spades.<<

Does it? No-one has been able to quanitify it or describe it in much detail (in the space of a year). It neatly removes dev responsibility to be able to say they were forced to do it. And if it is 100% true, what does that tell you? That the project had always run smoothly? Really?

>>IMHO as long as the development is still working there is a chance those goals will be realized<<

Possibly. But when do you stop giving the benefit of the doubt? How many weeks, months, years? (given a possibly different dev team, economic circumstances, market-place, project leaders etc)

>>and features they've never even considered could be developed before the series is done.<<

Yes, they could be. And they couldn't be also.

That lovely, bright, gleaming future, all-singing, all-dancing. Forever just around the corner.

How about we concentrate on the present occasionally, where features dont work or are missing wholesale? Oh I know it's a party-pooper.

>>Falstaff likes to suggest that I pass myself off as having insider information,<<

I dont suggest, I state plainly that you do, through your factual tone. Which is why you're conducting this damage-limitation exercise now. As if it mattered.

>>when its only info the developer has supplied in past, on what they are trying to achieve. <<

Glad to hear you say it. And yes, the developer is trying (not necessarily achieving). I think they have a great deal to concentrate on in the non-achieving dept, before they go onto the bright shiny new future.

>>Anyone with a modicum of common sense would know that.<<

Oh, of course. Not judging by your idolatrous posts they wouldn't. We would think the whole enterprise is a careful process of following well-documented steps to gaming nirvana. Only it hasn't been; it has been, thus far, pretty much a fiasco. And remains one as we speak.

>>I'm just like everyone else here speculating on the future of the sim, based on their information. The majority of my posts don't comply with Falstaff negative point of view, and he responds negatively.<<

Yeah, you're just one of the boys, I'm sure. One of the regular guys, never goes after anyone (unless they happen to be critical).

>People like Falstaff only have negative points to make on the new series. <<

But I, and maybe some others, would quite like to see the first installment finished first, before high-stepping into the sunlit uplands of the next one. If that is okay with you. The bright, shiny future can wait. It certainly sounds worth waiting for.

>>When someone suggests something positive like, the developer has a history of developing and finishing their projects, he suggests thats not possible because it isn't the same development crew.<<

To hell with sounding positive for its own sake.

>>Well the fact is, its still basically the same development crew, that has had a few additions, and subtractions in the last five years, just as many successful business have.<<

Waffle. No, you have no idea, and nor do I. Bland, banal, meaningless positive spin for it's own sake. You might as well add 'just as many unsuccessful businesses do'

>>I have alot of respect for the development crew and have enjoyed their work for the last eleven years and hope their latest project is successful. <<

And what do you hope to achieve by publically genuflecting and giving yourself a beige-tan shade of brown tongue? Earnestness? Sincerity? After all your attacks on anyone remotely critical?

>>I have no respect for people like Falstaff who tout their own knowledge<<

I have some knowledge, yes - and experience - but I dont tout it. I mention it to highlight your own lack of knoweldge int his area, and therefore the bogusness of your matter-of-fact-this-is-how-it happens tone. And I have no respect for you. None.

My experience is peripheral and some time ago. But real and detailed for all that and in a well-established complext software dev house. Yours appears to be none.

And I am not willing to see the natural wonders of the world in every syllable of each dev post as you are. You are fighting a phoney war and misrepresenting the game, and the situation, which ultimately helps no-one and just keeps the unreality locked in place.

No wonder so many have walked away from this game, and it's associated forums.

Ben

[Vittuuntunut]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

No wonder so many have walked away from this game, and it's associated forums.

Ben

...the rumour has it that this should be a good place to walk to:

http://warthunder.com/en/

This place on the other hand is just for dreams & promises.