Stability and Control characteristics of the Early Mark Spitfires

[taildraggernut]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

No. Again.

For example Basic pilot syllabus include spins. The plane used for this where not prohibited for spinning.

You hve also excellent pilot's note video on Youtube regarding P47, 38 etc.. You'll see that spin was not prohibited on those type. I am sure someone will point a similar (real ) vid for an RAF plane

well, why spin the spitfire if they already got trained to do it in a tiger moth that doesn't loose 2,000 feet minimum? hence why they didn't like to spin their expensive new and oh so desparately needed Spitfires, what the Americans had as regulations is the Americans business......nothing to do with the Spitfire....back on topic please.

[robtek]

I think i know who is running out of straws now.

[taildraggernut]

Originally Posted by robtek

I think i know who is running out of straws now.

At least one of you is beginning to realise it.

[Crumpp]

AP129 encourages spin training and has a whole chapter devoted to it. Aircraft are placarded against spinning because the specific design had dangerous characteristics.

End of story.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by taildraggernut

well, why spin the spitfire if they already got trained to do it in a tiger moth that doesn't loose 2,000 feet minimum?

They also learned to spin in the Harvard. An aircraft known for its vicious stall characteristics, and which needed about 2-3000ft to recover, if memory serves.

[taildraggernut]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

AP129 encourages spin training and has a whole chapter devoted to it. Aircraft are placarded against spinning because the specific design had dangerous characteristics.

End of story.

in your oppinion, spin training is encouraged in 'training' aircraft, not the newest front line types which might be more usefully used in actual combat, the spitfire was not dangerous to spin....end of story

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by taildraggernut

At least one of you is beginning to realise it.

lol!

[Glider]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

AP129 encourages spin training and has a whole chapter devoted to it. Aircraft are placarded against spinning because the specific design had dangerous characteristics.

End of story.

Wrong again. The pilots notes are clear that if you get into a spin the Spitfire will recover normally. You didn't read the words directly after the ones you quoted. Check your own posting 358

Re the P47 practice spins of more than 1/2 turn are banned according to the pilots notes

[Crumpp]

Wrong again.

Which part?

About AP129?? No

Or the Spitfire placarded against spinning? PROHIBITED is the word they use...IIRC.

[TomcatViP]

"Normally" does not means that the Spit will recover by itself but that you have to apply normal actions to get out of the spin (note tht there are some planes that recover by them-self).

Your reading is little biased when the line you extracts are only a couple of lines after the one saying that the spin was forbidden.

Limited to 1/2 turn in the 47 means that after half a turn you shld initiate actions to stop the spin and recover. It does not means that you 'd die once the plane past that point. In that case, if the odds are high enough, the Spin IS FORBIDDEN.

Stable spin situation have often a link with an aft CG location. It does not means that you'd die each time you'll get in a spin but more that the time to recover would be too great to be considered a safe practice during training or in a combat situation or might damage the structure.

Anyway, there is nothing to read btw the lines or makes interpretations. Those pilot's notes are written by those that know all about flying a military plane in combat situation.

So, EO Glider, with all my respect, stick by the book or use your imagination to found new ways of pealing the potatoes...

Dismiss !



PS: I hope the joke passed the barrier language. Sgt Tomcat stand ready to eat his hat with some Bearnaise sauce in case it failed