Friday 2010-09-03 Dev. update and Discussions

[Novotny]

Well said. People would do well to remember that Oleg's crew are professionals.

When members of the public post something they think is important they should remember that this is something they only think about in passing - it's not as if they earn their daily bread on this subject.

Most members of these forums have day jobs. They are first and foremost, call-centre operatives, or unemployed, or at the very least - not working in modelling WW2 combat.

This might be news to many, but you heard it here first: Oleg's team are employed because they are experts in their field, with access to experts on WW2 flight.

Please read that again.

So, could you all possibly just stop for a minute and ask yourself: hey, I think I know a lot: but am I actually paid for my knowledge? Is that a no? Then, perhaps is it possible I don't know as much as someone who is paid for their expertise?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: nearmiss has much more patience than me. I'd ban anyone making stupid remarks. You spoil this forum for everyone, as 1C become ever more reluctant to speak with the idiots who misunderstand their work and then post stupid criticism.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Novotny

Some future where an apocalypse has rendered a generation utterly ignorant?

^^ and well said Nearmiss.

Novotony, I hear you mate. I think that sometimes humour is the best way to deal with such controversial debates, but if this serves to stand as another stupid remark then it is clearly misplaced.

We all need to understand that we are similar in the sense we share the same hobby, but in many respects we will always have conflicting opinons. A forum is very much a microcosm, and conflicting opinions will only serve to create a type of Lord-of-the-Flies environment.

[Abbeville-Boy]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

^^ and well said Nearmiss.

Novotony, I hear you mate. I think that sometimes humour is the best way to deal with such controversial debates, but if this serves to stand as another stupid remark then it is clearly misplaced.

We all need to understand that we are similar in the sense we share the same hobby, but in many respects we will always have conflicting opinons. A forum is very much a microcosm, and conflicting opinions will only serve to create a type of Lord-of-the-Flies environment.

you complain too much every week and drove oleg away from the fri update seine

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by Eries

Ah, so moaning and complaining endlessly about the release date is now considered "respectful" That makes complete sense.

I'm getting deja vu feelings about the Tree <Insert a comment about release date here> replied by Eries <Say something about release date comment> cycles repeating themselves in here. I loose track of time not knowing which week's updates we're looking at.

Wonderful pics, would love to see propwash effect on the grass!

This could be the wackiest update thread I've seen in the past few years I've been looming around here.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Novotny

When members of the public post something they think is important they should remember that this is something they only think about in passing - it's not as if they earn their daily bread on this subject.

This might be news to many, but you heard it here first: Oleg's team are employed because they are experts in their field, with access to experts on WW2 flight.

Please read that again.

This might be news to many, but you heard it here first: Oleg's team are employed because they are experts in their field, with access to experts on WW2 flight.

So, could you all possibly just stop for a minute and ask yourself: hey, I think I know a lot: but am I actually paid for my knowledge? Is that a no? Then, perhaps is it possible I don't know as much as someone who is paid for their expertise?

Their expertise on WW2 Russian aircraft is probably irreproachable, and they are pretty good on the RAF.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: nearmiss has much more patience than me. I'd ban anyone making stupid remarks. You spoil this forum for everyone, as 1C become ever more reluctant to speak with the idiots who misunderstand their work and then post stupid criticism.

Stupid criticisms or not, I know more about UK railways than anyone who thinks that level crossings without gates or signals were common in the UK in the 1940s. The railways as shown in the image in the first post are knackered, useless, rotten.

Sure, in a flight sim the railways don't matter, trivia about head sizes is more important, that is at least fixable if it's really wrong, which I doubt.

Meanwhile, one of the world's great railway systems lies utterly broken.

There was a branch line, it barely survived the Beeching axe in the 1960s, do you know how the British got it across an inconvenient valley? We built a viaduct.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensford

On the western side of the village is a viaduct on the disused Bristol and North Somerset Railway, built in 1873 but closed to trains in 1968 after the great flood of Pensford, after which it was deemed unsafe. The last passenger train had been earlier: the 9:25 a.m. from Frome to Bristol on 31 October 1959; after that there were only goods trains (mainly bringing coal from Radstock), which ceased in 1964, and very occasional excursion trains. Pensford viaduct is 995 feet (303 m) long, reaches a maximum height of 95 feet (29 m) to rail level and consists of sixteen arches. The viaduct is now a Grade II listed building.

It's not of itself important, or a significant target, but it goes to show how much money was spent in the UK to to make the railways efficient and therefore profitable. Cuttings and embankments were cheaper, and thus much more widely used.

The one thing there weren't, were unmarked unguarded level crossings, where a random car could destroy or delay an important train, or an unimportant train could delay an important car.

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by Kudlius

It looks like new DCS A10 and BoB will have approx the same release date.

That would be a very scitsophrenic and ecstatic time that would need some kind of a vacation but I doubt BOB would let me enjoy A10 that much.

Since i play IL2 only for 2 months i dont know how it is there.

Will there be real steam smoke from the steamtrains in SoW BoB i mean real dynamic smoke?

[JVM]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

Stupid criticisms or not, I know more about UK railways than anyone who thinks that level crossings without gates or signals were common in the UK in the 1940s. The railways as shown in the image in the first post are knackered, useless, rotten.

It's not of itself important, or a significant target, but it goes to show how much money was spent in the UK to to make the railways efficient and therefore profitable. Cuttings and embankments were cheaper, and thus much more widely used.

The one thing there weren't, were unmarked unguarded level crossings, where a random car could destroy or delay an important train, or an unimportant train could delay an important car.

I agree wholeheartedly about train importance...The situation was quite different in France, not concerning the importance given to railways system (it must have been on par with the British one), but in the way it dealt with the environment: like in UK embankments and cuttings were largely used, but almost only on the main gauge network.
It was not so on the narrow gauge network, which was using occasionally embankments but few cuttings. Most of the time the train was going along the landscape, and this gives the narrow gauge network a very much different aspect from the main gauge one. These two networks were complementary and saw much use during all of the war as it was the only "mass" transportation mean left...as it was using coal, not fuel.

In opposition to the English system unguarded and unmarked level crossings were many (almost all of the narrow gauge system used them), and no fences exist on either network railroad, except maybe in large towns.

Like I said to Oleg railways are very much a structuring feature of the landscape as well as a great target. And this not mentioning other great targets like the so well recognizable steam depots and marshalling yards...and the very special network used by the Germans in Pas de Calais after July 1940 to move and fire the K5 and K12 very long range guns of the "EisenBahn Artillerie"...

JV

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Hecke

Since i play IL2 only for 2 months i dont know how it is there.

Will there be real steam smoke from the steamtrains in SoW BoB i mean real dynamic smoke?

There's smoke from the trains in IL*2. Or do you mean smoke coming from your computer's casing?

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

better the invisible man and visible instruments, don't you think old boy?

Exactly what instuments cant you see? The most important ones are visible.