Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by csThor

Now, Capt, there is no need to go the "sour grapes" way already. You're obviously passionate about the P-38 and everything pertaining to it, but that doesn't mean DT has to and is going to jump just at your request. You see there are thousands of people with thousands of ideas what can and should be corrected in which way - which translates into thousands of folks pulling DT's attention into thousands of directions. And we @ DT are damned already because we can't please them all. Does that mean we're ignorant or that we don't care about accuracy? No, most certainly not.

I, for example, am glad that I can't code worth a damn so I do not envy the FM and coding guys one bit.

There are No Sour Grapes here... Just a natural response to FCs blunt we will switch losing all three Axis in the FW to a PK. Lame response and shows very little respect for those that are aware of the problems.

I really doubt there are 1000s of people pulling DTs time at the moment. This is a very tiny community. There is a reason why some of them are in here looking at comments and responding.

In terms of the 38 you can look at the earlier posts and I'm glad some testing was done. At least it shows a willingness to look at issues that were raised some time ago and were blown off. I doubt we will see anything change per the norm even with documentation.

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by Arrow

And now what - Oleg listened to threads complaining about .50 cals (aka .50s are porked), at first people complained that dispersion was too much and wanted to remove the shotgun effect, now I've seen threads where people (like you) complain that there is no shotgun effect with .50 cals and now they are less accurate and have less hit rate. So what do you want now? Daidalos team will change dispersion of .50 cals to higher level and people will start to complain that they have not enough hitting power, in next patch lower the dispersion and people will complain they are not accurate and again again changing things just because you think that it should be changed based on your experience and hit percentage. This is no criteria of changing things in this game. DT has to take a side in this and there will always be people not happy with current state. If you want a change, do some serious testing and please make a new thread and don't make 36 pages .50 cals flamewar thread out of DT ready room.

You might want to go back an read what I said because what you think I'm asking for from DT is quite the opposite.

The biggest issue back in the day was syncing and hitting power. Hitting Power IMO is there. I can easily Dewing a FW if given a good profile and I hit at convergence so they hit plenty hard. Its matter of looking at the dispersion issue. It was noted in that 36 page thread on UBI that for what ever reason the 50s had one of the largest patters in the game. That includes all other MGs. Has it been corrected? The only thing that thankfully has been done is the desyncing of the weapons.

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by Brain32

FW fuel leak: It leaks like no other - period. It's not an occasional "Oh look it leaked entirely" it's consistent leaking where you loose entire fuel load in a matter of a minute or two and it happens EXTREMELY often!

Hmm I guess I'm not the only one that knows this problem along with a zillion other FW drivers over the years. I will put together a track then maybe just maybe it will get looked at.

[dl-3b]

What a bunch of arrogant and disrespectfull MF-ing whiners!!!!
S... the F.... up!!!!

[FC99]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Im stunned at the ignorance shown here, I thought we had an opportunity to use the modders in a positive way but it looks like they have an agenda that's not as transparent as it seems.

you can't use us, be sure, but you can research and document problems."I'm right because I've been flying this sim from demo days" is not valid argument, if that is only backup people have than their request will be ignored.

We don't have any hidden agenda, our agenda is clear and transparent, we are making best possible sim out of Il2 engine, we don't work for money, we don't have to care about the balance and we don't have to care about red and blue side. Historical accuracy is the only thing that matters.

If you honestly check this thread you can see that we are dealing with issues that are proven beyond the doubt like compressibility and mach limits.

What we don't want to do is to make changes based on popular myths.

Ignoring and quite frankly ridiculing suggestions and comments made in a genuine way is quite frankly depressing, I had hoped we were getting a mature team of modders taking IL2 1946 seriously.

Polite and serious questions will get serious and polite response, I will not waste my free time on political correctness and whiners who can't backup their claims with facts.

If it looks like the most talked about problems over the last 5 years of IL2 are simply cast aside and regarded as whining then its an opportunity greatly missed by TD and will be a mistake to their future credibility.

Most talked doesn't equal real, some of the most talked things are pure myths.

Now no matter what you do with the P51 until it flies like a Spitfire has Fw190 armament and Panzer armour you will be for ever making adjustments to it.

Talkin' about agenda , same thing we can say about FW190 or any other plane in game, there are always people who can't accept reality.

Originally Posted by Brain32

FW fuel leak: It leaks like no other - period. It's not an occasional "Oh look it leaked entirely" it's consistent leaking where you loose entire fuel load in a matter of a minute or two and it happens EXTREMELY often!

There is nothing in game code that would make FW190 any different than other planes with self sealing tanks, if you don't believe LesniHU and me than take a look at game code yourself or find somebody who you trust and ask him to check code. If you find an error I'll correct it.

Perceived difference is more likely caused with the fact that FW is extremely tough plane which will fly long enough for big fuel leak to happen. You will not get it that often in Bf109 simply because you will be blown out of the sky after first burst.

Here are few screenshots with P-51D losing all fuel too. You can see that I rotated wing 90deg to make it easier to hit fuel tank, in normal wing position it is way easier to cut off whole wing than to hit tank strong enough to produce big fuel leak.



I guarantee you that every plane with self sealing tanks behave the same, main difference is that some carry more fuel so it takes more time for whole fuel to leak.

FW controls issue - it's really not an exception, I've loosed all three controls in many planes, the issue are the hitboxes and as we know it's a simple limitation, for me it's pretty much the same if you loose your elevator or all 3 controls, either way I'm hitting the silk so I don't see anything to fix here really...

Finally somebody who understand that there is no any practical difference between losing all three controls and losing elevator and ailerons.

P-51 CoG - with full fuel the thing was nearly dangerous to fly even as per the manual, I hope changes wont make a trainer class aircraft of it at 100% of fuel okay?

More dangerous with 100%, more forgiving with low fuel. Nothing "uber" just slightly different and more interesting to fly.

FC

[KG26_Alpha]

FC99 don't put words in my mouth please.

[rakinroll]

I think developers should be more kind and carefully on their answers for these expected requests/complaints. We are (at least i am) learning/reading very useful infos here. Regards...

[fuzzychickens]

I can see why Oleg stopped interacting with people on forums.

I totally respect his decision to do that.

Without him, our options are limited severely for quality WWII sims in the future.

I patiently await this patch and the next sim.

[csThor]

Can we please drop the insults? I thought there were mostly adults here.

[Daiichidoku]

i thought that trading 3 control axies for PK was quite teh funneh


about the fuel leak bug:

i do remember that 190s (and P47s), after one patch, would catch fire VERY easily
after an outcry, the easy-fire stopped after the next patch..funny thing was, the "fuel leak bug" appeared then, as light puffy cloud at engine area trailing light smoke...IMO, as a "feelings experten", this was the same fire from before but cosmetically changed from fire to smoke to appease/fool the whiners

the really funny thing was, i found, that 2 patches later, the exact same thing could happen to (at least) all the other US types, F4Us, P47, P51, P38

in any event, it is what it is, i dont see why any type with seal-sealing tanks could not suffer catastrophic failure and lose all fuel in short order IRL...its annoying, but live with it, and set your glide hdg towards home



about TD looking into CoG issues with P51 (or any other type for that matter), AFAIK, il2 does not model separate fuel tanks in P51, hence there is no real problem in that regards?