Friday 2010-10-01 Dev. update and Discussion

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

+1

Thx Oleg for the updates! The vast majority of the community apreciates your work.

I think the moderartors should make a list of this guys (is allways the same short list of kids without manners), and just ban them every friday by default. This would make the interaction with the developers A LOT more positive and Oleg would have the dialog with the 99.99% of the community not with the 0.001 this people represent.

During discussions about this update, Oleg expressed his disdain of some members expressed attitudes. Oleg made it clear he didn't appreciate the verbal jabs and hinted about ceasing to post.

Members of this forums want the updates and they want the discussions with Oleg or Luthier. Stringent moderation will be maintained, especially on the first day when there is viable discussion. After a couple days there is no longer anything, but banter between members so moderation will not be as strict.

Moderators receive immediate emails when you click on the report this post icon in the upper right corner. Moderators don't hang out on the forums all the time, but with instant email notifications we can take care of issues very quickly.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Hecke

So for you interaction between developer and potential customer means to constantly say:

Awesome ...
Appreciate ...
Excellent ...
Can't wait ...
Thx Oleg ...
Wonderfull ...
Everything is coming together nicely ...
...

I don't think Oleg can make any use of this sort of comments.
Has Oleg ever answered a post which contains only such phrases? No ...

+1

the easy solution is this: if someone posts their thoughts, don't argue with their view. simple.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

During discussions about this update, Oleg expressed his disdain of some members expressed attitudes. Oleg made it clear he didn't appreciate the verbal jabs and hinted about ceasing to post.

Members of this forums want the updates and they want the discussions with Oleg or Luthier. Stringent moderation will be maintained, especially on the first day when there is viable discussion. After a couple days there is no longer anything, but banter between members so moderation will not be as strict.

Moderators receive immediate emails when you click on the report this post icon in the upper right corner. Moderators don't hang out on the forums all the time, but with instant email notifications we can take care of issues very quickly.

As far as i could see Oleg was talking about people moaning about him not posting the video...not people expressing views on content, good or bad.
In fact ive never seen him angry at members or saying people cant express their viewpoint.
To be honest Nearmiss ive thought your moderation of late has been spot on.

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by Hecke

So for you interaction between developer and potential customer means to constantly say:

Awesome ...
Appreciate ...
Excellent ...
Can't wait ...
Thx Oleg ...
Wonderfull ...
Everything is coming together nicely ...
...

I don't think Oleg can make any use of this sort of comments.
Has Oleg ever answered a post which contains only such phrases? No ...

I don't think Oleg needs feedback from 15 years old crybabies.

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

I don't think Oleg needs feedback from 15 years old crybabies.

But he's right. "Yah, great work!" Ok, how does Oleg and Luthier use that to make the game better? People who post that the font colour is wrong, the Pitot tube is wrong, or that the roads are not to scale are helpful (although not always diplomatic). As it stands now, Oleg has to sift through 30 pages of people giving him High-Fives, and probably gets tired of that and misses out on some actual constructive criticism or feedback.

You love the work, great! Add it to the end of a post that helps the game development process, points out something that needs to be done. Don't have a post that can be used to help the development of the game? This isn't the thread for it!

[philip.ed]

+1 to Speculum. Posts that say 'great' are fine, but if everyone posted that it'd be a bit...dull. Suffice to say, as I have said a number of times, the sim would be worse off because many errors wouldn't have been changed that the community noticed.
Just my 2P.

[Jaws2002]

It's not what you say, it's about how you say it. Some people are plain rude with their "feedback" and is always the same guys.
In all this "Updates" threads you see respectful observations to one aspect or another. For example observation about markings and some aircraft parts. Very respectfuly and with back up info. Soon you see the issues corected or adjusted.
This is what I consider "feedback", not the "this is crap", "that is crap", "I made it better in XX mod" years ago, and so on.
This is not feedback. It's noise. Rude noise. Nobody needs this kind of "feedback".
Many of you confuse the reason for this updates. They are not posted for you to criticize. Specially since you are always told "it's W.I.P." This updates are posted to keep us in the loop with the progress.
Do you think someone wants to get crap from 10 year olds every week for something he is giving for free?
Everything is WIP until you buy the game! Give them a break, they don't owe you nothing.

[philip.ed]

I agree there though; it doesn't take much to be a bit more eloquent.

I don't think I'm rude, am I?

[Jaws2002]

best way to find out: Make a poll.

[lbuchele]

I'm one of the guys who likes so much Oleg's work that I admits that I rarely criticized his
work.
But I like to see construtive critics from people here and I always will support freedom of speech,even if I don't agree with the poster view.