SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[F19_Klunk]

Originally Posted by csThor

The weapons fetish of some people, and the US as a whole,

Agreeing with you but not that statement... I know a lot of Americans that completely have the same values in regard to these things as I do. To stigmatize a whole nation like that is not only wrong, but gains nothing. It's like saying all Europeans are pro EU

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

No it's not;


http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-...r-term-trends-

For the purposes of this thread (skeet shooting!) check this out too;

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-...olent-crime-co

Evidently lots more people being thrown out of windows in the US compared to Europe.

did you actually read those links?

From the second one you provided

"The number of homicides has increased from around 300 per year in the early 1960s to over 800
per year in the early years of this century. More recently the number of homicides has fallen and
these provisional data show that homicide is at its lowest level since 1983 (when 550 were also
recorded). [which is a good sign maybe, but still more of periods when guns bans weren't in place].
To put the latest homicide figures in context, there were three times as many victims of road deaths
(1,715) reported to the police in England and Wales in 20113 (although levels of deaths on the roads
have also shown some marked decreases in recent years). [How about we adjust this number then? Getting a license nowadays is a JOKE, but we don't want to upset the automotive and oil market do we?!]
In addition, provisional data show that offences involving a firearm (other than air weapons)
recorded by the police fell by 16 per cent (to 5,911) in 2011/12 compared with the previous year.
This is consistent with a steady fall in offences involving a firearm since 2005/06, when more than
11,000 offences were recorded (annual trend tables D19 and D20). [so we're still having firearms incidents despite the ban... mmmmh what does that mean? Probably that criminals are still capable of getting hold of them and citizen were deprived of them because of the government political agenda?! Must be great to be a sheep... ]"

[F19_Klunk]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Breathtaking!! I thought you didn't like racism Stern? Are you a higher crime risk then?

One hasn't have to be a racist to state the obvious. I am for a generous immigrant/refugee policy in Sweden, but it is important to identify and see problems that comes with it.. such as risk for alienation, segregation.. or you have no means to work with these issues. It's not all great and dandy... but it is important to be open for people in need (imo). Often when I look on the news on TV, seeing all the scheit that goes on, I think to myself what a lucky bast**d I am beeing born where I was.

Back to topic: The "right" to bear arms

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by csThor

The weapons fetish of some people, and the US as a whole, and the vehemence with which people defend it never ceases to amaze and shock me. I, for example, am quite thankful for the strict german laws on weapons ownership and wouldn't mind seeing them made even stricter (to prevent weapons caches with dozens of guns).

But that, I guess, is the fundamental difference in cultures and upbringing.

I'm sorry but your attitude is pathetic. What shocks me is how disrespectful some people are towards other people's interests. Just because you don't like firearms it doesn't mean that they're bad or not moral. I for one wouldn't be too happy to think that my government, which I elected and gave power to give me a better society, doesn't trust me with my own fundamental rights and decides to deprive me of stuff for the sake of better (theirs) control, not safety. You really need to be blind not to see this.

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Breathtaking!! I thought you didn't like racism Stern? Are you a higher crime risk then?

nope, unfortunately there's immigrant and immigrant, even if people are SO scared of making distinctions based on race and provenience here (and it's not like they don't think of them, it's just that they don't have the attributes to voice them cos they're not politically correct).. if anything I provide this country with highly specialised work skills that locals are too lazy to learn, and my taxes go towards many of those lazy useless waste of spaces out there that live off benefits, so bite me.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

did you actually read those links?

and citizen were deprived of them because of the government political agenda?! Must be great to be a sheep... [/B]]"

Yes I did read them. They show, like the quotes you took from them that crime is falling. Guns in the UK? Citizens have been "deprived" of them because of public outcry over the Dunblane massacre. You don't think our gun laws have overwhelming public support? Lol.

Btw, no one in mainland Britain has ever been able to apply for a firearm on the basis of self-defence. There ain't no such catagory. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

[F19_Klunk]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I...and my taxes go towards many of those lazy useless waste of spaces out there that live off benefits, so bite me.

..which ... for the record.. has difference "provenience", including native.

Actually, I don't really have the time for this.. good to debate/talk with ya guys.. have fun and see you when patch is released

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by F19_Klunk

..which ... for the record.. has difference "provenience", including native.

oh yes, don't get me wrong, I don't make any distinction there, they're all the same parasites, no matter what colour, gender, religion... but then again it's the government that nannies them into this "don't worry, we'll give you a house, some money and all the benefits you need so you don't have to worry".

A year ago I parked in front of my house, my neighbours at the time were some single mum on benefits with a useless 17 years old son that spent all day smoking weed and bumming around, there was a van to do the loft insulation in their house. I had an estimate the week before and they asked a staggering £450, so I wondered how they could afford it: I saw the van guy coming out and asked what was it all about, and he said "it's the government man, they're on benefits so they don't pay for it".. how can a working, honest, tax paying citizen take that crap day in and out boggles my mind..

[csThor]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I'm sorry but your attitude is pathetic. What shocks me is how disrespectful some people are towards other people's interests. Just because you don't like firearms it doesn't mean that they're bad or not moral. I for one wouldn't be too happy to think that my government, which I elected and gave power to give me a better society, doesn't trust me with my own fundamental rights and decides to deprive me of stuff for the sake of better (theirs) control, not safety. You really need to be blind not to see this.

Although I do not wish to add more fuel to an already burning fire I must say I find your attitude rather sad (to put it mildly) and I really pity people like you who feel threatened by their own government to the point that they insist on owning arms on the nebulous principle that "the big bad government" wants to limit one's personal freedom. I'm not a blind believer in the good of governments, I know they're sodders, but I don't see owning weapons as a way to solve that problem.

I have no problems with hunters owning weapons (not owning them would make that profession rather pointless, wouldn't it?) or people who like sportive shooting as a hobby. I do believe, however, that there is no need for anyone to own assault rifles, MGs or even more than one or two handguns (like, for example, the father of the young man who committed the massacre of Winnenden a few years back - the idiot owned 17 handguns!). I don't see shooting clubs as an evil itself, but it is my heartfelt impression that too many privately owned weapons are a mere boost for the owner's self-esteem, a d*** replacement or an imagined cure for real or imagined faults of character/body/whatever.

[Canine]

Quote:
Originally Posted by csThor
The weapons fetish of some people, and the US as a whole,


2000 WWII vet's die each day; remember what they did for your right to think the way you do. It could have been a different story and, your thinking could be along the lines of; ...."if we just had a gun it could have been different."

I'm proud to be an American and I would gladly serve another 22 years to allow you to continue to think the way you do..............!

Just don't stereotype all Americans as having a weapons fetish. My house is protected by Smith and Wesson but I don't eat, sleep, drink guns.

Guns don't kill people.....People kill people!

~S~

[nearmiss]

The problem with partial gun control.. it is just a first step towards total gun control.

Give the politicians an inch they take a mile. It is very difficult to rescind laws in the US, because there are so many political influences and special interests enjoined to preserve status quo, and acquire new influences.
That is probably the most important reason people are so set against government interventions.

Recently, the mayor of New York made it illegal to serve soft drinks over 16 ounces, because sugar is a contributor to diabetes. The government in many instances has gone over the top with the "nanny state". Even the presidents wife tried to do away with kids meals at McDonalds and french fries.

Sadly, defending against such political arrogance and ignorance has become a frustration for Americans. Simple basic freedom choices are under constant attack from radicalized thinkers empowered in America.

Gun Control is at the top of their list, and who knows what comes behind that. Maybe they will demand that aborted fetuses be ground into hot dogs. I saw a crazy video on youtube a while back where something along these lines about fetuses were being used in hotdogs. You can't believe everything or you'll become a scizo.

There have always been partial gun controls in US as local levels. NYC has ordinance for years that prohibits guns in bars and nightclubs.

Washington, DC has had a myriad of problems with their local gun statutes, because people are still getting killed by the crooks with the guns.

There have always been local communities that have stiffer prison sentences for persons using guns in the commission of crime. Those penalties aren't applied as they should be, because prisons are too full.

In the US there are 750 prisoners per 100,000 persons as compared to England 153 prisoners per person, in Japan 63 prisoners per 100,000 persons.

Drugs is a huge problem in US and there are overwhelming large numbers of people in the prisons just for possession of drugs. These are non-personal crimes that for the most part harm no one.

American government representatives are almost all lawyers, and there are more lawyers per capita in the US than any nation in the world. So, yeah I guess that is a factor.

In 1980 the number of people in prisons in the US was 150 per 100,000 persons. That is an enormous increase over the past 30 years.