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Been flying with the P-51 a lot lately and she's my favorite ride. VERY fast and the engine is VERY reliable. You can fly on full power settings ( even on WEP ) for a while without the coolant boiling
Just going to give some dog-fighting tips for budding p-51 flyers..its a good feeling seeing BF-109 fireballs flying across your canopy 1.) Stay fast! This aircraft easily reaches 300-350mph. Any slower than 180-200MPH your pretty much a "brick in the sky". You can easily outrun any plane "except" probably a jet from my experience 2.) Be gentle with her. You have to turn very gently with the p-51..she can't turn too tight like a 109 but you don't need to turn tight because you bleed off speed that way. The verticle is the best fight. If you absolutely need to turn with the P-51 in combat pull just enough on the stick until you hear the airframe rattling..also use combat flaps. But I would just advise you High-Yo-Yo onto your targets six if your chasing a bandit 2.) Use deflection shot! Unless your chasing a FW-190 or some other non-tight-turning plane...Don't worry too much about getting directly behind a bandit and shooting his 6, most of my kills in a p-51 come from deflection shot. Carefully time your deflection shots and make sure your fast..if you need to climb to a bandit make sure you have enough speed..if you don't stay at alt and gain speed. 3.) Use cloud cover! - If you have a bandit or even a gang of bandits chasing you, dive into the clouds and fly in the clouds a bit..also gain more speed. You will easily lose your pursuer(s) and even get the jump on him and end up on his six. Then you just take him down. The clouds keep you hidden and you can climb above..or dip below the clouds for a bit to see where your target is to set up IF your Boom and Zooming with P-51 - I've had this plane reach 460mph close to 470mph coming out of a dive..the trick is to pull "very gently" on the stick, full flaps ( very quickly then raise flaps) and a little bit of elevator trim to come out of the dive. If you yank just slightly too hard on the stick the wings will break right off the P-51. A good sign to slow your speed down is when you hear the airframe rattling..that means it's close to breaking..so trim up and pull smoothly..Probably should cut the throttle as well. This is only in a dive..if your just flying straight in a P-51 at 450-470mph and you hear the rattling your fine..just trim and be very gentle with her. An optional trick you can do to shake an enemy off if you have an enemy on you and your on the deck is to fly under bridges..I've literally been chased by bandits..flown under a bridge and he crashed trying to go under the bridge after me lol P-51 against Fw-190 ---------------------- Fw-190's are tricky..their fast, powerful guns..and even one or two shots from one will usually take out your controls or leak your fuel tank. A skilled FW-190 will be very high and very fast. He will try to pounce you. FW-190 has a ridiculous rate of roll which makes it tricky to shoot it down while your on his six. If your about to get pounced ( B&Z ) by a faster a FW-190 there's a couple things you can do: 1.) If you have the Alt, just do a split-S..which is to go inverted and pull up 180 degrees..if the 190 doesn't zoom back up ( for example if he keeps diving or stays at alt, you can usually zoom up another 180degrees from your split-S and dive on his six. 2.)Another things you can do If your getting bounced, is to chop your throttle and high-g Barrel roll with a little bit of rudder...this should cause the B&Zer to overshoot you..now he should be zooming in front of you...now FIREWALL the throttle and if your fast enough you can chase him and shoot him while he's trying to zoom away. I've literally shot planes down like this. You can also do this with a P-47, but it's important to not bleed to much speed off in the barrel roll cause then you can't climb fast enough to get him in your sights If an FW-190 tries to run from you. CHASE him...your faster than him and can turn with him The P-51 and Fw-190 are two of the most powerful planes in the sky..especially at high alts. The trick is to remain fast! Tight-turning planes don't stand a chance even if their above you Last edited by Black_Sage29; 02-09-2013 at 06:08 AM. |
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If I find a Fw 190 high, I usually just firewall it and enter a gentle dive. The P-51's dive limit is higher, and it is faster over most altitudes, so you usually can get away by maintaining a near red line speed. If the Fw 190 follows, it will either break up or lose the altitude advantage, which means it's no longer a threat. If it doesn't follow, well, you're safe.
I also consider the P-51 the best prop driven fighter aircraft in game, in particular against the Japanese, where the somewhat limited firepower works a lot better than against the tougher German planes. |
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Been flying 109's since IL2 beta.
Ive never worried too much about mustangs. Their best advantage lies where it did in reality-sheer overwhelming numbers.
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Kind of speaks volumes about the quality of the combat you usually see - the P-51 can outrun all contemporary German prop fighters and outdive them as well. If you catch them in a dive and a D-9 can catch them at higher altitude, I don't think you've seen a properly flown one.
It's funny though that it would seem that many folks share that impression, and then get grumpy when a couple of well flown P-51's kick their butts repeatedly, unexpectedly. The P-51 is a very capable plane, which not many pilots fully exploit. It certainly has a far worse reputation with both its pilots and its opponents than it deserves. |
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Time: monday and tuesday, starting around 1800 GMT. Server info: close range friendly icons (1000m), map icons, speedbar, otherwise fullreal. We are 2-4 guys. |
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By contrast, while most USAAF pilots were relatively green, they had enough basic flight and fighter training to count as being Average quality, and many of them stayed alive long enough to become Veterans. |
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In real life the P-51 was an excellent aircraft, just like it is in game. When the P-51 was introduced in the first half of 1944, the Luftwaffes top fighters were 1.42 ata Fw 190A and none methanol Bf 109G, mostly equipped with gunpuds. This meant the P-51 had many performance advantages, in particular at high altitudes, where it could fly circles around the German opposition, but also at lower altitudes where it still had climb, dive and speed advantages. And, compared to previous US escort fighters, it manoeuvred well, being competitive with whatever the Luftwaffe had.
Early on, the bomber escorts rarely had a numerical advantage, often the Luftwaffe had it and the P-51 was still successful under these conditions. However, the tactical situation needs to be taken into account and here it is important that the escort fighters often held the initiative, because the Luftwaffe fighters focussed on the bombers. That's far more important than any numerical odds and something the P-51 did benefit from. To reduce the combat success of the aircraft to numbers and relative pilot skills, is very superficial, to say the least. |
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In the Pacific, while some Japanese fighters had better range than the Mustang, they didn't have the same armor. My earlier point wasn't to dismiss the P-51 as a great fighter plane. It certainly was! But, the Luftwaffe of 1944 wasn't the Luftwaffe of 1940 or even 1942, which made it even easier for the VVS and the USAAF to gain air superiority over Germany. |
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Is that video of Thor's up on youtube? I am not a member of M4T. Always fun to watch tracks of our glory days.
I remember that Ultima Latet was about the best Mustang pilot online, he could just about kick anyone's ass by managing his energy very well mine included. I gave him fits while flying a D-9 though and he just brought up how the d9 was better than it should be, but every RED pilot says that. The boys in Mustangs on WarClouds used to do very well with them, but that was because they flew as a team in numbers like they should have and they flew very safely with very little dogfighting, whenever I got any of them alone whether I was in a 190A,D or 109 they usually came up the loser because they grew dependent on team tactics and maybe did not spend the time lone-wolfing it like I always did. In 2008 for an experiment I purposely flew on Spits vs. 109s every day for a month, as they used to reset their stats every month, just to see how good a record I could rack up. I flew mostly the FW190, maybe 20% in a 109 and some in allied aircraft including a sorty in a p51d where I got two kills and got back home. I got by far the best record in the stats that month for a fighter pilot, flying a large number of missions vs. Late allied aircraft, P51,p47 and of course Spits. Warbirds of Prey's solution was to delete the fw190 aircraft I had been flying from their maps for the next month. In the end I remember the high-flying Mustangs being the most trouble for the FW190 because they were the fastest and best diving just as has been pointed out in this thread. And as Chuck Yeager pointed out in his book, the pilot with the most experience will always come out ahead no matter what he is flying. Which always seemed to hold true. I think most of the best pilots in WWII or in IL2 are those that fly with their heads and have the best tactics and experience and know their aircraft. If the starter of this thread, Ultima and Thor did better than most others in their Mustangs I am sure it is more what they have upstairs than whatever virtual cockpit they are in. |
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