we the spaniards have been conquered by usa as halloween shows

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by chantaje

what we have here is saint patrick day, but i suspect is just an excuse to get wasted, i have to check it though.
is that similar in spain or elsewhere? a lot of people "celebrating"(getting totally wasted) on saint patrick day? .

That would be Irish but also catholic, Saint Patrick is the Patron Saint of Ireland.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Hmmm????

Sorry Snapper, did this happen to you?!

Not even close! I kept my pants on when I proposed!

[Hood]

It's probably payback for the Spaniards killing so many in South America.

Personally I like Haloween as I buy sweets for the kids but none visit (because of where I live) so I get to eat them all myself.

Hood

[Skoshi Tiger]

Halloween is getting more popular over here in Australia as well.

When I was a lad Halloween was something we only saw on Snoopy cartoons.

Our big loss in Western Australia was when they made fireworks illegal. It all but killed off Guy Fawkes night over here. Imagine the generations of poor kids that have missed out on blowing stuff up! It’s a complete travesty!

Sigh!

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Hood

It's probably payback for the Spaniards killing so many in South America.

The Spaniards actually 'killed' a small fraction of the South Americans which died during that time. What they did is bring is European viral infections which Europeans had immunity from or stronger protection from and it is these which killed most of the people. IIRC around 90% of the deaths we caused by this (citation needed)

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

I'd rather celebrate Day of all Saints and honor the memory of those that has passed than have snotty little brats (and adults, for that matter) on my door in idiotic costumes begging for candy. Here in Norway there hasn't been a tradition to celebrate All Hallows Eve at all until in recent years, and it's pretty much turned into the same rubbish bullshit as Valentine's Day: A capitalistic overhyped idiocy of epic proportions.

Then again, I absolutely abhor both Halloween and Valentine's Day in general. I find both utterly ridiculous.

So you prefer to be solemn and miserable looking into the past rather than enjoy the young and future generation enjoying themselves. If they come to your door and you are rude to them then do not be surprised if that affects their attitude in later life. I see nothing wrong with kids dressing up, having fun and getting sweets from their neighbours, in the right spirit it's a nice community event, I can't see why somebody would want to spoil that.

I suspect there were people who didn't want to give at Christmas once (maybe still are)

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Samhain, (where "hallowe'en" stemmed from) is Gaelic... is that Pagan enough.

and history records that many pagan festivals where adopted by christianity and renamed... it was the only way to keep the peace on gaining control of the populations. Another assimilated, so history tells us, is Ester/ Easter (pagan fertilty festival... it always had me fascinated as to what bunnies and eggs had to do with crucifiction) with christmas coming 9 months later.

+1

I was going to add something like this but I would've had to do some research The 'tradition' that is being complained by some here as 'new' is actually way older than the current saints days.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Samhain, (where "hallowe'en" stemmed from) is Gaelic... is that Pagan enough.

and history records that many pagan festivals where adopted by christianity and renamed... it was the only way to keep the peace on gaining control of the populations. Another assimilated, so history tells us, is Ester/ Easter (pagan fertilty festival... it always had me fascinated as to what bunnies and eggs had to do with crucifiction) with christmas coming 9 months later.

ALL christian holidays are stolen from the Pagans. Christmas was made to offset the winter solstice (the church made up the whole jesus bday thing in 349CE) easter is estre the fertility goddess, the eggs and rabbit represent breeding like rabbits aka fertility. IN goes on and on how religions stole from the pagans.
Yet people keep thinking its all true...sad state our civilization is in, believing in mythology. At least Sweden is over 50% rational!!

[GOZR]

I understand the changes and the problems caused by those changes but do not forget Halloween etc. were European before and disappear from our "old" continent.. now it's starting to come back.. also Spain need to change in a big way and to change the way she work and think... The need to come in the Euro Market is also a need to work on the same time as everyone else and keep some habit for the vacations only.. It's hard time.. hard changes need to be made in every corners.

[GOZR]

Oldschool they were not stolen but more of accommodated to please a general population of the time.. many Holidays are a mix of old believes and new. At the time everyone knew it but today a huge percentage of people forgot or not thought in school or by parents... and believes false things..

Wolf_Rider yes +1