The best (accidental) moves you can make... :)

K_Freddie · #1 08-08-2012, 02:05 PM

This one's from my HSFX60 version... and it's with 'finger rudders'

EJGr.Ost_Caspar · #2 08-09-2012, 02:21 PM

Lucky one. But I bet, the Spit got you anyway.

Generally such should be able by will in the game, but I never could snaproll the Ki-43 for example, like in this video ('1:40 and '2:11):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4N3YobtkB8

Stalls lets you imidiatly get into a violent spinning, no matter what.

Luno13 · #3 08-09-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

Stalls lets you imidiatly get into a violent spinning, no matter what.

This isn't 100% true. In Il-2 "Stall" warning message appears too late. You can stall without spinning, and no "Stall" message will ever appear.

However, the behavior is very weird around this area of the flight envelope, and the tendency to follow into a spin is very strong. Even with the ball centered perfectly, one wing will want to drop, and correcting with rudder sends the other wing down too quickly. And indeed, controllable snap rolls like in the video are impossible.

K_Freddie · #4 08-09-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Luno13

And indeed, controllable snap rolls like in the video are impossible.

I'm afraid they are very possible... and easy to implement once you know your plane.

If you're talking about the FW190 ball centering, then you are going to spin uncontrollably. The ball must be off-centre for a controlled snap-roll/spin.

Luno13 · #5 08-09-2012, 07:09 PM

I would love to see a track of a snap roll in a Ki-43 as it appears in the video Caspar posted

K_Freddie · #6 08-09-2012, 08:23 PM

You can do it, but you need rudder pedals and quick reactions.

The basic move, is to simultaneously pull hard and kick rudder, and as the plane goes into the stall, push the stick and rudder into the opposite direction, and hold it there. The timing is critical such that the stick/rudder motion is seamless.

Also be aware of the torque and propwash. If you do the move into these forces, the move is more violent and chances of recovery are less.

K_Freddie · #7 08-09-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Luno13

I would love to see a track of a snap roll in a Ki-43 as it appears in the video Caspar posted

Ah!! found it... Maybe this online clip might come close

This is full recovery within a 180 degree stall/spin/flip

which possibly suggests that the Japanese aircraft are correctly modeled according to that film clip

If I remember correctly, this clip was before TD got their hands on the code... ?

K_Freddie · #8 08-09-2012, 06:43 PM

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But I bet, the Spit got you anyway.

Nah!.. that plane just died in the end - maybe the pilot was injured, but I do notice a lot of AI blackouts occurring (the plane before this one) lately.

Maybe a correction to this might be to not let them do such violent moves when close to the ground, but more of a rolling over above a low plane while keeping advantage until the strike.