clod free to play, inteligent move?

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

Sometimes I just don't understand this forum.

On the one hand we have Rise of Flight, with a free basic game and very cheap additional aircraft, amongst other things. On the other hand we have DCS, now with the free DCS World and very expensive individual aircraft, all of which have bugs.

Loads of people on here say 'Rise of Flight is GREEEAAAT!!!' (me included), and then loads of people say 'DCS is GREEEEAAAT!!! (me included), but then proceed to slag off 1C Maddox Games for releasing a game for a few quid with many more flyables than the free RoF or the free DCS World.

To get as many flyables in the free Rise of Flight as 'Cliffs' had on release would cost as much if not more than Cliffs of Dover did on release. I bought the Iron Cross edition myself, which was pretty much the same price as 'Cliffs', and the planes didn't have anywhere near the cockpit functionality, the damage model, the LOOKS of the game that is 'Cliffs of Dover'.

To buy ONE DCS aircraft costs the same as the whole Cliffs of Dover package did on release in it's entirety. Since then, 1C have added an additional 109 variant, an additional Spit variant, and an additional Hurricane variant all for free. The models had their problems like any other sim, but they're getting modified as are all the aircraft in all of the above flight sims.

1C softclub, as a business, have their own strategy. If it works - fantastic. If it doesn't, someone will buy this and take it forward. It's so gobsmackingly gorgeous I'd do it myself if I had any money or knowledge of the industry.

Just let them get on with it and stop trying to give them 'good advice'. Please.

Aye

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by pupo162

the major downside of a ROF style for COD would be the plane avaibility online.

suppose COD came out like this, you get the gmae for free but only tigermoth is availabe, every other plane is 3 bucks.

i dont know about you, but i would probably just buy a spit IIa and the 109E4. and im pretty sure anyone who want to stay cheap, or just isnt going to invest much time into the game would do the same. ITs what ive done with ROF. I went to the forum and asked "what are the 4 best planes i should buy?" and i bought them.

and then you get online at ATAG, and either ATAG, has spitsIIa and 109E4 for everyone, or people will not play in ATAG.

in ROF i dont think ive ever found any plane limits and the DR1 or the alabtros V seems to be always in the plane list.

Things would get worse with BFM, the planeset will have the i16 the lag and some Russian stuff, and the 109F4. the 109F4 is clearly superior to anything the Russians have.
So people would only buy the the best, meaning lots of people would only have 109F4. teams would get even more unbalanced, without any way of reversing the situation.

thats my issue with COD going ROF.

True.



Also someone mentioned you got 4 aircraft free in RoF, I am pretty sure it was two.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

True.



Also someone mentioned you got 4 aircraft free in RoF, I am pretty sure it was two.

It was 2 yes

[Madfish]

Free 2 Play is simply a lie - it's just a freaking DEMO version. Limited content - buy the rest for an upgrade. It is NOT free to play.

It's like saying: you're free to drive my car but you will have to buy the steering weel, shifter, gas, insurance and tires. In fact you might even have to buy the roads to drive upon (map "upgrades") - and if you want to wear a scarf while driving it: BUY it first. Whoa, that's so freaking free 2 drive huh? Some games will make you pay so you can play with friends in a team, others will make you pay for the better planes and vehicles, maps etc. - but in the end it's just a scam to lure you in and pay.

Free 2 Play does not exist. It's a myth, a fable, nonsense. You are always just getting a glimpse of the full content and if you want to play it decently you'll always end up paying much more than by buying a simple "game" because in the end you want to PLAY and thus usually end up with buying almost everything. It's horrible that this human trait of being playful is exploited so badly by some shady companies.


The key question here is not about "free 2 play". It's about content distribution. And personally I hate overprized and clustered content. It just splits the playerbase even INSIDE of the game, even more so for games that actually feature a very diverse set of vehicles etc.

Usually a game goes "free 2 play" when it failed on the market. RoF was one example but there are many others. This is because it allows selling tiny amounts of content for a hefty price. It usually focuses on great looks and ease of use instead of depth and features while keeping the developer team tiny and minimize the staff costs.

[Verhängnis]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Free 2 Play is simply a lie - it's just a freaking DEMO version. Limited content - buy the rest for an upgrade. It is NOT free to play.

It's like saying: you're free to drive my car but you will have to buy the steering weel, shifter, gas, insurance and tires. In fact you might even have to buy the roads to drive upon (map "upgrades") - and if you want to wear a scarf while driving it: BUY it first. Whoa, that's so freaking free 2 drive huh? Some games will make you pay so you can play with friends in a team, others will make you pay for the better planes and vehicles, maps etc. - but in the end it's just a scam to lure you in and pay.

Free 2 Play does not exist. It's a myth, a fable, nonsense. You are always just getting a glimpse of the full content and if you want to play it decently you'll always end up paying much more than by buying a simple "game" because in the end you want to PLAY and thus usually end up with buying almost everything. It's horrible that this human trait of being playful is exploited so badly by some shady companies.


The key question here is not about "free 2 play". It's about content distribution. And personally I hate overprized and clustered content. It just splits the playerbase even INSIDE of the game, even more so for games that actually feature a very diverse set of vehicles etc.

Usually a game goes "free 2 play" when it failed on the market. RoF was one example but there are many others. This is because it allows selling tiny amounts of content for a hefty price. It usually focuses on great looks and ease of use instead of depth and features while keeping the developer team tiny and minimize the staff costs.

This, exactly this. ^^

[Tavingon]

I think another word is 'Freemium'

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by pupo162

the major downside of a ROF style for COD would be the plane avaibility online.

suppose COD came out like this, you get the gmae for free but only tigermoth is availabe, every other plane is 3 bucks.

i dont know about you, but i would probably just buy a spit IIa and the 109E4. and im pretty sure anyone who want to stay cheap, or just isnt going to invest much time into the game would do the same. ITs what ive done with ROF. I went to the forum and asked "what are the 4 best planes i should buy?" and i bought them.

and then you get online at ATAG, and either ATAG, has spitsIIa and 109E4 for everyone, or people will not play in ATAG.

in ROF i dont think ive ever found any plane limits and the DR1 or the alabtros V seems to be always in the plane list.

Things would get worse with BFM, the planeset will have the i16 the lag and some Russian stuff, and the 109F4. the 109F4 is clearly superior to anything the Russians have.
So people would only buy the the best, meaning lots of people would only have 109F4. teams would get even more unbalanced, without any way of reversing the situation.

thats my issue with COD going ROF.

Exactly my point. There has to be a unified standard of available aircraft so that we can fly on all servers with realistic planesets and be able to switch teams to balance things out.

I can't imagine how it would work with a RoF business model.

Player A: "Hey guys, we are a bit outnumbered, can some of you switch to our team?"

Player B: "Ok, but i don't have any of your team's planes yet. Just let me get my credit card, do the transaction and download the cockpit textures from the online store. I'll be joining you in half an hour"



Ok, i'm exaggerating a bit and truth be told, after a while there would be a number of people who would have a good collection of flyables for both teams, but it's still awkward. Not to mention that the popular planes get priority over everything else with such a business model, because they sell easier. The way IL2 did it, developers could sell a box with all the popular planes in it, but they were also using the sales generated from these planes to fund the development of the not so popular ones. And that's how we discovered all those aircraft we didn't know about.

[5./JG27.Farber]

I really hope RoF/777 do a WWII sim, then all you guys that what it can enjoy it and we that dont want it can stick to good old IL2.

I think it would be really great for IL2 aswell if 777 did do WWII. 777 could generate allot of interest in the genre and then people would realise they get allot more flyables for allot less money and theres also alot more to IL2 and start playing it.

[Verhängnis]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

I really hope RoF/777 do a WWII sim, then all you guys that what it can enjoy it and we that dont want it can stick to good old IL2.

I think it would be really great for IL2 aswell if 777 did do WWII. 777 could generate allot of interest in the genre and then people would realise they get allot more flyables for allot less money and theres also alot more to IL2 and start playing it.

And if everyone moves to IL-2, what happens 777's WW2 then? Kaput?

[He111]

Originally Posted by Tavingon

Imagine the defiant as CO OP with ventrillo, would be so much fun.

HEY! bitxh! that's my Ho!

and yes, being able to have multiple players per aircraft would be cooool!

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