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[Wolf_Rider]

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[Rowddy]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

And if you bother to read the EULA/TOS of said game, you'd see that you haven't bought the game, you've bought the right to play the game, until and unless the distributor/producer of said game revokes that right. Which, of course, they can do at any given time, without notifying you about it.

Steam goes down from time to time. That's what software and servers do *shrug* If you don't like it: Stop buying Steam-games. If you continue to buy Steam-games, you have absolutely NOTHING to complain about. At all, period.

Amen to that. I hope the Devs wake-up and stop STEAM at least for offline play.

[csThor]

Wow, the combined naivety in this thread is really telling. You think developers have a say when it comes to DRM, digital distribution or copyright systems? Yeah, thanks for the laugh. That's up to publishers and their ideas are going far beyond where Steam is right now. Publishers are the ones who artificially insert such systems in order to carve themselves a bigger and more comfy niche within the distribution process. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of beancounters in their upper echelons are having wet dreams of cloud computing, mandatory monthly fees and DLC at every corner to milk customers even more.

The only way to stop that would be not to purchase any of those products who are tied to such systems at all.

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rowddy

Amen to that. I hope the Devs wake-up and stop STEAM at least for offline play.

As long as the devs get more $$ for selling their product over Steam than over the counter, and let's face it once and for all: They do, you'll likely not see a change. In fact, you'll most likely see an increase in the use of Steam and such portals, since it's a both cheaper (no boxes to produce, no CD's to print up) and more lucrative than selling the product over the counter.

The primary reason as to why 1C uses Steam is because Flightsims are probably the epitome of a niche-product. We who love flightsims, and especially on this level, are a very small minority, and in order to make a profit in this market, you need every advantage you can get. And Steam, like it or not, is an advantage for the devs.

Until that changes, they'll use it.

Originally Posted by csThor

The only way to stop that would be not to purchase any of those products who are tied to such systems at all.

And good luck with that, as those that see Steam as a good distribution-platform far outnumber those who don't.

[DroopSnoot]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

As I recall the Steam was forced upon Oleg as was the name Cliffs of Dover, just before release from UbiSoft.

Ubisoft is the distributor and owns rights of distribution, except in Russia.

Good luck with your whines and complaints with UbiSoft.

It was too much trouble to separate the Russian version from UbiSoft requirements.

It was best action to go along with UbiSoft for best distribution of COD.

"You can't always get what you want"

Very responsible thread especially from a moderator.

[pupaxx]

Originally Posted by DroopSnoot

Very responsible thread especially from a moderator.

+1 same thought here, I' don't understand if this thread is referring to my previous post in which I asked for help with steam issues or I missed previous discussions; 'good luck with your whining and complaints about ubisoft' seems to belong to different subjects than a moderator,... how do u call it? trolls?.
On my count I wasn't whining about nothing...
this thread rains from a clear sky...we say
Cheers

[Madfish]

Trust me, you won't get anywhere here when pointing out that a moderator acts like a donkey even if he acts like a donkey. Personal experience. All you'll get is a ban - even if they flame you in PM's.

That aside I must point out that Steam has pro's and con's.

- Patch distribution is all good. But what do you need it for when you get a patch once a year? (Beta's not included)
- Steam sales? Meaningless in this case as well. I haven't seen a single decent CloD sale on steam. It was sold for 15€ on the web...
- Also... steam is not good when it comes to preventing piracy. There isn't a single steam game which is uncracked.

I have like 4 Steam accounts and probably well over 400 games on them. But I still don't like the decision.


My personal take on it is: Steam is good, and only then, if you want to target younger folks (which isn't bad) AND definitely if you have an awesome online gameplay to offer so people can actually make use of the steam interface, useíng steam groups, friendlist, join friends games etc.

Since the game, campaign and multiplayer is pretty bland I'd say younger folks aren't in the scope. And the multiplayer component needs a bit more patching.



The biggest downside I see is with future expansions and the lack of the SDK. So much content for IL-2 1946 out there but CloD still lacks and I'm not sure if Steam as a platform will allow for this to change. But only time will tell.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Trust me, you won't get anywhere here when pointing out that a moderator acts like a donkey even if he acts like a donkey. Personal experience. All you'll get is a ban - even if they flame you in PM's.

That aside I must point out that Steam has pro's and con's.

- Patch distribution is all good. But what do you need it for when you get a patch once a year? (Beta's not included)
- Steam sales? Meaningless in this case as well. I haven't seen a single decent CloD sale on steam. It was sold for 15€ on the web...
- Also... steam is not good when it comes to preventing piracy. There isn't a single steam game which is uncracked.

I have like 4 Steam accounts and probably well over 400 games on them. But I still don't like the decision.


My personal take on it is: Steam is good, and only then, if you want to target younger folks (which isn't bad) AND definitely if you have an awesome online gameplay to offer so people can actually make use of the steam interface, useíng steam groups, friendlist, join friends games etc.

Since the game, campaign and multiplayer is pretty bland I'd say younger folks aren't in the scope. And the multiplayer component needs a bit more patching.



The biggest downside I see is with future expansions and the lack of the SDK. So much content for IL-2 1946 out there but CloD still lacks and I'm not sure if Steam as a platform will allow for this to change. But only time will tell.

I used to be a regular member of this forums and frequently posted.

Being a moderator has it's problems. Now as moderator it is best just to be the forums police is what I'm reading.

If moderators post there is always someone that wants to make a point with some sort of bashing against the mod. Some of it is probably pent up rage, which is sad.

Anyway, who needs it. So, back to the chastisement of the troops for me I guess.

[ATAG_Septic]

[QUOTE=nearmiss;412068]As I recall the Steam was forced upon Oleg as was the name Cliffs of Dover, just before release from UbiSoft.

Ubisoft is the distributor and owns rights of distribution, except in Russia.

Good luck with your whines and complaints with UbiSoft.

It was too much trouble to separate the Russian version from UbiSoft requirements.

It was best action to go along with UbiSoft for best distribution of COD.

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"You can't always get what you want"

..."But you can get what you need"


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