66!

[JG52Krupi]

Still a good aircraft, it was like all European projects plagued with lack of resources and government interference.

So basically give it the money that a US project would receive and remove the work sharing squabbles from the EU and it would have been out earlier... its not a bad aircraft but just too late .

Did anybody really think that the EU would be able to produce a better aircraft than US and Russia... Only if they were given the same amount of money and free reign the other countries give there contracts.

BTW PAK FA FTW

[JG52Krupi]

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Lol

Bingo

Its already on display in a Museum.............. taken May 2010

Alpha, you can lol as much as you like dude, but it's quite obvious you don't understand much about military aviation and its modern applications.

I mean, what's the post about the EF in Duxford supposed to mean? The EF in Duxford has reached its structural hours, so it's been put in the museum, if anything it's a testify of how much work it's been done on the airframe.

..uh and for the record, there's an F-22 on display in Dayton since 2008

[TomcatViP]

Guys we need to open a EF2000 thread.

Guess tht wld be only one more on the web.

WHat is true is that no generation of planes had ever been so contreversial. Even the Starfighter scandal was peanuts in regards.

Yeah EF2000 is an old concept that had come long. Just hve a look to who was responsible of the initial design in the Uk

Probably that it won't stand on top in front of Pak/FA or a J20 if those ever achieve their high expectation (I am confident for the Pak/FA especially if India select either the RaF or the Ef )

Certainly it won't hve much chance against a F22 and will hve to fight hard to prevail against an F35 if those two achieve a reliability high enough to remain credible (I guess that when Ef would hve been sold in numbers this would help the situation ).

But let us remind WWII when many super fighters were rolled proudly in front of the hanger of their respective manufacturer... Who did bear the brunt of the Adler Tag and Pear harbor attack ? Hurricane, MS406, Wildcats and P36. They were there in large numbers, practicable and average performers for a bunch of forgotten men that stand firm at their commands.

Wht matter the most in those troubled days is that our airspace are protected.

Is the price too high and the tempo to slow ? Yes ! That's undeniable. Is that a problem related to the industrial sector ? No.

End of arguments.

You can either point Fukujima, the car manufacturer selling millions of outdated engines, the food industry and so on. But this is not a place for a technical, aviation oriented forum. It's a matter of us.

[KG26_Alpha]

Nice pic Krupi

Agreed Tomcat

Sorry the thread went off at a tangent.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Alpha, you can lol as much as you like dude,

Thxz LOL

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Thxz LOL

[JG53Frankyboy]

one can wonder if such super 'fighters' are still needed in the conflicts nowadays.
These high manouverable superpower monsters are mostly flying straight and releasing smart weapons.......

A much cheaper plane, even with a turboprop (like the Pilatus or Tucano planes), could be equipted with such a weapon avionic.

This super dogfight ability.....well, cost a lot. If it will ever bee needed, questionable. So every penny put in such hardware might be a waste of money !
But sure, its easier to make a Groundattacker out of a Fighter than otherwise round

The German Luftwaffe wants now all (~140) of its Eurofighters equipted as dual role. in a few years it will be its only combat jet aircraft.

And the future might most propably be even more than today in UAVs. Imagine a modern combatflightsim in 100 years


and btw, im wondering who will make it in India, the Rafale or the Typhoon !
Not that India could do something better with that money............

[Sternjaeger II]

[QUOTE=TomcatViP;363748]Guys we need to open a EF2000 thread.

Guess tht wld be only one more on the web.

WHat is true is that no generation of planes had ever been so contreversial. Even the Starfighter scandal was peanuts in regards.

Yeah EF2000 is an old concept that had come long. Just hve a look to who was responsible of the initial design in the Uk

Probably that it won't stand on top in front of Pak/FA or a J20 if those ever achieve their high expectation (I am confident for the Pak/FA especially if India select either the RaF or the Ef )
[quote]
will they? You can appreciate that apart for these "independent projects" of dubious quality, the market is either US or Russia really, there's political and economic ties that keep things as they are. That's why the Eurofighter was a big middle finger to the US, one not really too welcome either.

Certainly it won't hve much chance against a F22 and will hve to fight hard to prevail against an F35 if those two achieve a reliability high enough to remain credible (I guess that when Ef would hve been sold in numbers this would help the situation ).

You reckon? I think the Eurofighter is the only non Russian operative jet that stands a chance with the F-22, they're both armed with BVR missiles, and AA technologies are so advanced now that the whole stealth technology is getting obsolete. Besides, as you said, the F-22 and F-35 have still SO many problems (the latter in particular), and they're never cheap to fix ones..

But let us remind WWII when many super fighters were rolled proudly in front of the hanger of their respective manufacturer... Who did bear the brunt of the Adler Tag and Pear harbor attack ? Hurricane, MS406, Wildcats and P36. They were there in large numbers, practicable and average performers for a bunch of forgotten men that stand firm at their commands.

Wht matter the most in those troubled days is that our airspace are protected.

Is the price too high and the tempo to slow ? Yes ! That's undeniable. Is that a problem related to the industrial sector ? No.

End of arguments.

You can either point Fukujima, the car manufacturer selling millions of outdated engines, the food industry and so on. But this is not a place for a technical, aviation oriented forum. It's a matter of us.

it's also a matter of tactical warfare: funnily enough the F-22 is more of an anachronism than the Eurofighter. The development of technologies and the ever so present use of drones for ground attacks will more and more relegate piloted jets to aerial superiority, which will become less and less necessary.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

one can wonder if such super 'fighters' are still needed in the conflicts nowadays.
These high manouverable superpower monsters are mostly flying straight and releasing smart weapons.......

A much cheaper plane, even with a turboprop (like the Pilatus or Tucano planes), could be equipted with such a weapon avionic.

This super dogfight ability.....well, cost a lot. If it will ever bee needed, questionable. So every penny put in such hardware might be a waste of money !
But sure, its easier to make a Groundattacker out of a Fighter than otherwise round

The German Luftwaffe wants now all (~140) of its Eurofighters equipted as dual role. in a few years it will be its only combat jet aircraft.

And the future might most propably be even more than today in UAVs. Imagine a modern combatflightsim in 100 years


and btw, im wondering who will make it in India, the Rafale or the Typhoon !
Not that India could do something better with that money............

I completely agree. UAVs are making most of the dirty jobs at a fraction of the cost of a manned ground attacker, it wouldn't surprise me if in 20 years' time we won't have piloted vehicles, but it'll be all done from a computer room..

[JG52Krupi]

India iirc are getting the Russian t-50